Donald Trump has been charged with obstuction of justice. To be specific obstructing congress. Defying people like Nancy Pelosie and Ralph Nadar may be the best thing President Trump has done so far. That and blowing up the Bidens are good things he's done for our country not bad.

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On 12/10/2019 9:52 AM, HusTler wrote:

Donald Trump has been charged with obstuction of justice. To be specific obstructing congress. Defying people like Nancy Pelosie and Ralph Nadar may be the best thing President Trump has done so far. That and blowing up the Bidens are good things he's done for our country not bad.

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Because that's what you do when you've done nothing wrong, you don't cooperate, right? Let me know how that would work for the ordinary guy.

On the other hand, I am not against examining the Biden relationship and
see if that had any influence on US-Ukraine policy however. I haven't
dug into it but you hear media saying it was already looked into, but I haven't heard of any kind of report being released on it.

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Donald Trump has been charged with obstuction of justice. To be

specific

obstructing congress. Defying people like Nancy Pelosie and Ralph Nadar

may

be the best thing President Trump has done so far. That and blowing up

the

Bidens are good things he's done for our country not bad.

He's not my President ... not because I voted the other way ... because I
don't live in USA :-P

hey ... this is dDbate isn't it :-)

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mortifis to HusTler on Tue Dec 10 2019 03:58 pm

Donald Trump has been charged with obstuction of justice. To be

He's not my President ... not because I voted the other way ... because I don't live in USA :-P

hey ... this is dDbate isn't it :-)

Yes it is. I thought it would a good "debate" topic. I'm wondering how many users think the Pres will actually be impeached after all is said and done?

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mortifis to HusTler on Tue Dec 10 2019 15:58:53

He's not my President ... not because I voted the other way ... because I don't live in USA :-P

Want to trade places? Please?

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HusTler wrote to Mortifis <=-

Yes it is. I thought it would a good "debate" topic. I'm
wondering how many users think the Pres will actually be
impeached after all is said and done?

There's very little doubt that he will be impeached. Then the
"case" will go to the Senate, who will vote that he *NOT* be
removed from office. Put money on that.

He'll finish out his term, just like Slick Willy did when he was
impeached. Personally I suspect this whole process will work in
his favor come next November, and he will be re-elected and serve
a second term.

In the end, history will show that he was impeached, yes.



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Mortifis on Tue Dec 10 2019 07:28 pm

Yes it is. I thought it would a good "debate" topic. I'm wondering how many users think the Pres will actually be impeached after all is said and done?

more than likely they will vote for Impeachment but it will fail in the senate. he will be exhonerated.

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On 12/11/2019 12:29 AM, Denn wrote:

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Mortifis on Tue Dec 10 2019 07:28 pm

Hu> Yes it is. I thought it would a good "debate" topic. I'm wondering how
Hu> many users think the Pres will actually be impeached after all is said and
Hu> done?

more than likely they will vote for Impeachment but it will fail in the senate.
he will be exhonerated.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 10 2019 09:51 pm

There's very little doubt that he will be impeached. Then the
"case" will go to the Senate, who will vote that he *NOT* be
removed from office. Put money on that.

He'll finish out his term, just like Slick Willy did when he was
impeached. Personally I suspect this whole process will work in
his favor come next November, and he will be re-elected and serve
a second term.

I agree. The Dems look like fools. They have disgraced the office and our country. This impeachment thing is going to be business as usual if laws aren't passed to prevent this fiasco from happening again. President Trump will get relected because the American people will want to prove who really is in charge. US! The American People.
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On 12/11/2019 7:57 AM, HusTler wrote:

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 10 2019 09:51 pm

> There's very little doubt that he will be impeached. Then the
> "case" will go to the Senate, who will vote that he *NOT* be
> removed from office. Put money on that.
>
> He'll finish out his term, just like Slick Willy did when he was
> impeached. Personally I suspect this whole process will work in
> his favor come next November, and he will be re-elected and serve
> a second term.

I agree. The Dems look like fools. They have disgraced the office and our country. This impeachment thing is going to be business as usual if laws aren't passed to prevent this fiasco from happening again. President Trump will get relected because the American people will want to prove who really is in charge. US! The American People.
H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23

Yeah, inviting foreign powers to interfere in elections, no big deal.
Trump was a crook before getting into politics, he didn't change.

You know what is going to happen after Trump is done with being
President, he is going to open Trump Tower Moscow thanks to selling out
the United States.

Why does he kiss Saudi ass? Simple, they said do what we want or your
Trump Tower Dubai has an unfortunate terrorist attack and is razed to
the ground. Same deal for Turkey, that's why Trump is giving them
territory in Syria.

Man, I sound so Republican with all my conspiracy theories. ;P

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

Man, I sound so Republican with all my conspiracy theories. ;P

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The earth is flat! :P

Nightfox

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On 12/11/2019 12:05 PM, Nightfox wrote:

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

MA> Man, I sound so Republican with all my conspiracy theories. ;P

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The earth is flat! :P

Nightfox

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and when will Trump secure our northern border and round up all these
pesky Canadians?

You know why Vermont doesn't have a hockey team called Montpelier Maple
Leafs? The Canadians stole it, that's why!

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Wed Dec 11 2019 07:57:07

I agree. The Dems look like fools. They have disgraced the office and our country. This impeachment thing is going to be business as usual if laws aren't passed to prevent this fiasco from happening again. President Trump will get relected because the American people will want to prove who really is in charge. US! The American People.

Yes, clearly we should not invoke the constitutional powers to hold our leader to the same standards that we hold every other person in this country to [allegedly]. I'm curious as to what kinds of laws you're talking about having passed, just for discussion's sake.
It's good to know that we, the American bigots, are truly in charge, yes.

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and when will Trump secure our northern border and round up all
these pesky Canadians?

Trump seems to be busy with "stuff" these days, or he might just do that.

You know why Vermont doesn't have a hockey team called Montpelier
Maple Leafs? The Canadians stole it, that's why!

I dunno if we stole it but we have a pretty good grip in the maple leaf.
You all can have Montpelier though.. ;)

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Wed Dec 11 2019 07:57 am

There's very little doubt that he will be impeached. Then the
"case" will go to the Senate, who will vote that he *NOT* be
removed from office. Put money on that.

He'll finish out his term, just like Slick Willy did when he was
impeached. Personally I suspect this whole process will work in
his favor come next November, and he will be re-elected and serve
a second term.

the Dem's are playing a dagerous game of russian roulette (pun intended) they're risking it all on 3rd and 4th account hearsay, many independant voters who voted democrate last time will vote republican in 2020 not just because of the impeachment circus but also because the democratic presidential hopeful pool is filled with people like Pocahantis Warren who want to tax us to hell and beyond to pay for social give away's that would cost trillions.
My prediction for Joe Biden is this, he will be will be investigated by the DOJ and face prosecution.
the Dem's will loose the house and Adam Schiff will be forced to resign in shame. just my prediction for the new year:)

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

Yeah, inviting foreign powers to interfere in elections, no big deal. Trump was a crook before getting into politics, he didn't change.

WOW I see you've been drinking the CNN punch

You know what is going to happen after Trump is done with being President, he is going to open Trump Tower Moscow thanks to selling out the United States.

No I don't know that stop telling me what I know.

Why does he kiss Saudi ass? Simple, they said do what we want or your Trump Tower Dubai has an unfortunate terrorist attack and is razed to
the ground. Same deal for Turkey, that's why Trump is giving them territory in Syria.

is that the new CNN rumor?

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to Mindless Automaton on Wed Dec 11 2019 09:05 am

Man, I sound so Republican with all my conspiracy theories. ;P

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The earth is flat! :P

those are not Republican cospiracy's
everyone knows the earth is square:) jk

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to Mindless Automaton on Wed Dec 11 2019 09:05 am

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The earth is flat! :P

Earthquakes, volcanoes!
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Grease
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed Dec 11 2019 11:56 pm

everyone knows the earth is square:) jk

I thought the earth was a donut..

Nightfox

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On 12/12/2019 12:49 AM, Denn wrote:

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

MA> Yeah, inviting foreign powers to interfere in elections, no big deal.
MA> Trump was a crook before getting into politics, he didn't change.

WOW I see you've been drinking the CNN punch

C'mon now, he's as crooked as Hillary.

MA> You know what is going to happen after Trump is done with being
MA> President, he is going to open Trump Tower Moscow thanks to selling out
MA> the United States.

No I don't know that stop telling me what I know.

You just read it, so now you know.. and knowing is half the battle!

MA> Why does he kiss Saudi ass? Simple, they said do what we want or your
MA> Trump Tower Dubai has an unfortunate terrorist attack and is razed to
MA> the ground. Same deal for Turkey, that's why Trump is giving them
MA> territory in Syria.

is that the new CNN rumor?

Its all true. Ancient scrolls found under the melting icecaps say so.

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Sprite wrote to HusTler <=-

Yes, clearly we should not invoke the constitutional powers to hold
our leader to the same standards that we hold every other person in
this country to [allegedly].

So why do we seem to have different laws for Democrats than everyone else?

Why wasn't Hilary charged for destroying those phones and her servers and deleting emails. Why wasn't she charged with using a personal email server? (Yes, that's illegal and she knew it.)

And the list is very large.

The law is supposed to be applied to everyone equally. But the laws seem to not be applied to the Dems and to be mis-applied to anyone that the Dems don't like today.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Sprite on Sat Dec 14 2019 09:25 am

So why do we seem to have different laws for Democrats than everyone else?

Why wasn't Hilary charged for destroying those phones and her servers and deleting emails. Why wasn't she charged with using a personal email server? (Yes, that's illegal and she knew it.)

Because the deep state is filled with democratic hack's and they protect each other.
I predict that hell is about to bust loose on them, this is worse than watergate by far.
It's looking like Durham and Barr are going to start bringing charges soon.

I hope Barr investigates the Clintons and Quidpro Joe Biden and his son.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Sprite on Sat Dec 14 2019 09:25 am

Why wasn't Hilary charged for destroying those phones and her servers and deleting emails. Why wasn't she charged with using a personal email server? (Yes, that's illegal and she knew it.)
The law is supposed to be applied to everyone equally. But the laws seem to not be applied to the Dems and to be mis-applied to anyone that the Dems don't like today.

I hope this Impeachment shit bites em all in the ass! What comes around goes around I always say.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Dr. What on Mon Dec 16 2019 02:37 pm

I hope this Impeachment shit bites em all in the ass! What comes around goes around I always say.

Even if Trump did abuse his power and broke the law?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Dec 16 2019 05:40 pm

I hope this Impeachment shit bites em all in the ass! What comes
around goes around I always say.

Even if Trump did abuse his power and broke the law?

Actually Trump broke no law's, Schiff remember said he had a whistle blower and quid pro quo, that turned out to be no Quid Pro Quo and no whistle blower.
and Trump released the transcripts that showed he did nothing wrong.
this impeachment is a nothing burger.
you watch shit is about to hit the fan for the Dems.
the real abuse of power lies with Schiff and Pelosi.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Nightfox on Mon Dec 16 2019 11:41 pm

Even if Trump did abuse his power and broke the law?

Actually Trump broke no law's, Schiff remember said he had a whistle blower
you watch shit is about to hit the fan for the Dems.
the real abuse of power lies with Schiff and Pelosi.

If Trump can be impeached then every President past and present could be impeached. Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are the only ones that abused their power for personal gain.

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I hope this Impeachment shit bites em all in the ass! What
comes around goes around I always say.

Even if Trump did abuse his power and broke the law?

The Rep's are of course behind Trump. I don't think the Dem's had any
choice but to impeach regardless of the optics.

Trump has the best lawyers though, who will get him off (if you can call
that off).

How very futile.

Ttyl :-),
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Actually Trump broke no law's,

Trumps offence was holding back funds (not his funds) until he was
granted a "favor", and the obstruction of congress that followed.

you watch shit is about to hit the fan for the Dems.
the real abuse of power lies with Schiff and Pelosi.

There certainly is abuse (at the very least) at work here. I'm not so
sure if the dems or reps are behind it at this point.

I don't think the senate will convict him (them being lawyers and all)
although he should be convicted if guilty. Maybe he will be censured if
not convicted. Maybe they'll just let him off, time will tell.

Ttyl :-),
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If Trump can be impeached then every President past and present
could be impeached. Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are the only ones
that abused their power for personal gain.

Well yes, every president can and a few have been impeached. The
presidency is not a free ride.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to HusTler on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:39 am

If Trump can be impeached then every President past and present
could be impeached. Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are the only ones
that abused their power for personal gain.

You hit the nail on the head!

I think I was about 28 or 32 and decide that is the truth were known
(we are the most corrupt government in the world). And now some of it
is coming out!

Think if we knew everything? I would think out heads would blow up!



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to Denn on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:38 am

Trumps offence was holding back funds (not his funds) until he was
granted a "favor", and the obstruction of congress that followed.

UHH No #1 read the transcript #2 the one and only fact witness said clearly Trump said NO QUID PR QUO!
and besides the funds were released without an investigation.

The dem's have been trying to impeach our president 1 week after he got into office, the truth is they thought Hillary had the election in the bag and when Trump won they started throwing tantrum's.
here in Utah our democrat congressman (Ben McAdams) said he would vote for impeachment even before the articles of Impeachment were laid out, We are going to send Ben McAdams a case of chapstick because he is a partyline puppet butt kisser and I am sure his lips are chapped.


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Trump has the best lawyers though, who will get him off

heh

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Al on Tue Dec 17 2019 11:58 pm

The dem's have been trying to impeach our president 1 week after he got into office, the truth is they thought Hillary had the election in the bag and when Trump won they started throwing tantrum's.
here in Utah our democrat congressman (Ben McAdams) said he would vote for impeachment even before the articles of Impeachment were laid out, We are going to send Ben McAdams a case of chapstick because he is a partyline puppet butt kisser and I am sure his lips are chapped.

I don't really need to state anything other then, I agree!

Havok



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to HusTler on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:39 am

If Trump can be impeached then every President past and present
could be impeached. Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are the only ones
that abused their power for personal gain.

to Impeach there has to be high crimes and misdemeanors, they don't have that with Trump, what they are trying to do is effect an election in their favor (the Dem's) they know what they have is flimsy at best that's why Adam Schiff publicly made up Trumps phone call to give Trump a political black eye.
thats when Trump released the transcripts and gave Adam (the liar) Schiff a political kick in the ass.
this is all about Democrat dirty tricks to try and win the whitehouse in 2020 what they don't realize is they're helping Trump:).

Well yes, every president can and a few have been impeached. The presidency is not a free ride.

Actually 2 president's have been impeached.
1.Andrew Johnson.
2.Bill Clinton.
the bar is pretty high to impeach as it should be, otherwise both parties would impeach president they don't like, Trump most likely will be impeached by the House and aquitted by the Senate.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Outatime to ALL on Wed Dec 18 2019 09:13 am

Trump has the best lawyers though, who will get him off

Here is hoping!

Havok



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Havok to Al on Tue Dec 17 2019 21:17:07

I think I was about 28 or 32 and decide that is the truth were known
(we are the most corrupt government in the world). And now some of it
is coming out!

Think if we knew everything? I would think out heads would blow up!

Amen brutha.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Havok to Outatime on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:09 pm

Trump has the best lawyers though, who will get him off

This is just a battle between the House and the Senate. After all the Democrats bullshit the Senate will WIN. The Sentate will vote not to Impeach and that will be the end of this Impeachment Fiasco.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 03:29 pm

This is just a battle between the House and the Senate. After all the Democrats bullshit the Senate will WIN. The Sentate will vote not to Impeach and that will be the end of this Impeachment Fiasco.

Not so fast, Info Wars and other site state they will take it to the
Supreme Court stating the Sentate had their minds made up before hand
and it wasn't fair. Then it could get dicey some say someone has
something on Roberts.


I the same as you hope for the best!










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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Havok to Al on Tue Dec 17 2019 09:17 pm

I think I was about 28 or 32 and decide that is the truth were known
(we are the most corrupt government in the world). And now some of it
is coming out!

By "our", are you referring to the US government? I agree there is some corruption in the US government, but I've been to a few other countries in the world and I have the feeling the US government is far from the most corrupt government in the world. I think things are still relatively good in the US (at least, for now).

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to Impeach there has to be high crimes and misdemeanors, they
don't have that with Trump

Did trump withhold $$$ congress had given to Ukraine? If he did that, why
and how did he do it, and for what purpose? Smells like bribery. Bribery
is a felony.

what they are trying to do is effect an election in their favor (the Dem's) they know what they have is flimsy at best that's why Adam
Schiff publicly made up Trumps phone call to give Trump a political
black eye. thats when Trump released the transcripts and gave Adam
(the liar) Schiff a political kick in the ass. this is all
about Democrat dirty tricks to try and win the whitehouse in 2020
what they don't realize is they're helping Trump:).

There is so much bullshit being flung back and forth in an effort, I
think, to distract folks from the truth. The Reps seem to be using this occation to get their campaign underway for the next election.

I have neither blue nor red stripes. I hope that US lawmakers/upholders
will convict when laws are broken regardless of party lines.

The opposite is also true, I hope that US lamakers/upholders will protect
the (truly) innocent.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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This is just a battle between the House and the Senate.

That is true. Currently it looks like a battle between the left and
right, or red and blue.

After all the Democrats bullshit the Senate will WIN.

I think so, but I wouldn't call that a win.

The Sentate will vote not to Impeach and that will be the end of
this Impeachment Fiasco.

An impeachment is far from a fiasco. If the senate treats it as such then
your senate is a fiasco.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to Nightfox on Wed Dec 11 2019 01:27 pm

On 12/11/2019 12:05 PM, Nightfox wrote:

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

MA> Man, I sound so Republican with all my conspiracy theories. ;P

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The ea

Nightfox

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and when will Trump secure our northern border and round up all these
pesky Canadians?

You know why Vermont doesn't have a hockey team called Montpelier Maple Leafs? The Canadians stole it, that's why!

All the pesky Canadians are presently in Ottawa, and have a hockey team called the Ottawa Senators.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 03:47 pm

By "our", are you referring to the US government? I agree there is some corruption in the US government, but I've been to a few other countries in the world and I have the feeling the US government is far from the most corrupt government in the world. I think things are still relatively good in the US (at least, for now).

I'd have to agree to disagree.

Most likely those other countries were corrupt with our tax dollars. A good
topic on that is Biden and his crack head son or Ronney's son and Pelosi
son also.

Hay how about going back in time where is that 20 some billion of tax dollars
Bush lost for the rebuild of Iraq, no big deal we can get more.

Or Clinton foundation and over a billion for the rebuilding of Haiti.
Or the sale of our stock pile of uranium to Russia for what was it a million
for a speaking engagement in Russia with Bill Clinton.

Or how about Bush and WMD in Iraq.

Or Ronald Reagan term in office and the CIA bring in horse to sell to kids
in the US.

Or the one that hits home with me is a picture of a buddy in Nam holding a
bag of horse that the CIA were stuffing in dead GI coffins then loaded on
US Air that the CIA owned.

Or the secretary of military department under Bush stating we will stop the
horse/heroin in Afghanistan but during Bushes term it grew over 5000 percent.

Like I stated if we really, really knew.



Havok


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to HusTler on Thu Dec 19 2019 12:51 am

This is just a battle between the House and the Senate.

That is true. Currently it looks like a battle between the left and
right, or red and blue.
An impeachment is far from a fiasco. If the senate treats it as such then your senate is a fiasco.

I watched the Impeachment Debate yesterday from start to finish and it was a Fiasco! I never seen two sides of an argument so far from each other. It's no wonder nothing gets done in Washington. You listen the DEMS and say Holy Shit this guy should hang for that. Then you listen to the other side and you say Holy Shit well that's not right. Nobody has any proof. All the charges should be dropped! I thought I lived in a country were a man is innocent until proven guilty. WTF??? The DEMS are JUDGE, JURY, and EXECUTIONER. Damn! What country am I living in?? This is all about Ego.Oowwww The President isn't listening to us says Nancy and Chuck. Impeach Impeach him! Now whenever a President is elected and the opposing party don't like him/her they'll just impeach him or her. The voters don't know any better so we (Congress) needs to change the results to the way they want it to be. That is Sooooooo f&%cked up!

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Al on Tue Dec 17 2019 11:58 pm

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to Denn on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:38 am

Trumps offence was holding back funds (not his funds) until he was granted a "favor", and the obstruction of congress that followed.

UHH No #1 read the transcript #2 the one and only fact witness said clearly Trump said NO QUID PR QUO!
and besides the funds were released without an investigation.

The dem's have been trying to impeach our president 1 week after he got int office, the truth is they thought Hillary had the election in the bag and wh Trump won they started throwing tantrum's.
here in Utah our democrat congressman (Ben McAdams) said he would vote for impeachment even before the articles of Impeachment were laid out, We are go to send Ben McAdams a case of chapstick because he is a partyline puppet but kisser and I am sure his lips are chapped.

... Bend the facts to fit the conclusion. It's easier that way.

And lets not forget if he did "break a law" they would have charged him with breaking a law. instead they purposely made the articles vague. This is going to backfire immensly but its all part of the plan. The REAL dem front runner has yet to announce. And will come swooping in and attempt to attract all the moderates that they are a true old school dem that your grandfather would have liked... And the VP on the ticket will be a minority with a hard left leaning to make the ticket agreeable to those hard lefties.

Like a Hilary/Patrick ticket.

And I wouldn't doubt if much of the republican senate is behind it too. They will have the excuse they were "Defending" the president when they make this take so long and force all the left senators running to have to drop out, paving the way for a ticket like the above.

They reps have always hated trump too.

The people in power are running the show, not the people of this country.
They are all in it together, always have been, its how they gurantee they all make money. Cuz money is what it's always about.

The only other outcome is i'm totally wrong, and trump is aquitted and wins a second term, which is fine by me...


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Zombie Mambo to Denn on Thu Dec 19 2019 06:26 pm


This shit it out of control! What a bunch of imature babies. These are the people running our country?? Geeez

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to All on Fri Dec 20 2019 01:22 pm

This shit it out of control! What a bunch of imature babies. These are the people running our country?? Geeez

Hello there!

Think not who or what they are, think of the people that voted for them and
put them in office



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Zombie Mambo to Denn on Thu Dec 19 2019 06:26 pm

Trumps offence was holding back funds (not his funds) until he was
granted a "favor", and the obstruction of congress that followed.

Uhm No, the was the made up version of Trump's call by the Adam Schiff,
Thats why Trump released the transcripts to show that Schiff made up his own senareo and when Trump released the transcripts the gutless Schiff did'nt even appologize, I still predict that Schiff will either resign or be impeached himself for the cowardly abusive crap he pulls.
Talk about abuse of power.

And lets not forget if he did "break a law" they would have charged him with breaking a law. instead they purposely made the articles vague. This is going to backfire immensly but its all part of the plan. The REAL dem front runner has yet to announce. And will come swooping in and attempt to attract all the moderates that they are a true old school dem that your grandfather would have liked... And the VP on the ticket will be a minority with a hard left leaning to make the ticket agreeable to those hard lefties.

True, Instead they charged him with abuse of power and obstructing Congress, the only problem is what he did was ask about corruption from the 2016 election that involved Bidens Son working for a gas company making $50,000 a month and he has zero experience in that area, sounds to me like Joe and Hunter were selling access to Obama's white house.
and the false claim that he Obstructed Congress, He was seeking leagle remedy through the courts because of Adam Schiffs abusive schemes.
If there is a Democratic front runner that has not jumped in yet they're running out of time to do so, some states require that candidates file by a certain time.
I belive Trumps Impeachment will be overturned or he will be aquitted.
The seanate has already stated that Adam Schiff will be the first witness called before the senate.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mortifis to HusTler on Tue Dec 10 2019 03:58 pm

Donald Trump has been charged with obstuction of justice. To be

specific

obstructing congress. Defying people like Nancy Pelosie and Ralph Nadar

may

be the best thing President Trump has done so far. That and blowing up

the

Bidens are good things he's done for our country not bad.

He's not my President ... not because I voted the other way ... because I don't live in USA :-P

hey ... this is dDbate isn't it :-)

a lot of people say that if the usa sneezes, their country catches a cold.
so yes, he is your president!
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Mindless Automaton to HusTler on Wed Dec 11 2019 10:16 am

Yeah, inviting foreign powers to interfere in elections, no big deal.
Trump was a crook before getting into politics, he didn't change.

if he's a crook we need more crooks. things are going pretty good with him. he's making changes that help people that have been overlooked for many
decades and much more.

more evil trump, please!
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to Mindless Automaton on Wed Dec 11 2019 09:05 am

9/11 was an inside job! We didn't really go to the moon in 1969! The eart is flat! :P

i dont think 911 was an inside job other than people didnt do their part to stop it.

and yes, nobody went to the moon and the earth is probably flat because we still do not have a photo of the earth showing it's round.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Sprite on Sat Dec 14 2019 09:25 am

Sprite wrote to HusTler <=-

Yes, clearly we should not invoke the constitutional powers to hold our leader to the same standards that we hold every other person in this country to [allegedly].

So why do we seem to have different laws for Democrats than everyone else?

Why wasn't Hilary charged for destroying those phones and her servers and

i think the whole thing is about face. if someone important gets into trouble, it harms our country and makes us look weaker to other countries.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Al on Tue Dec 17 2019 11:58 pm

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Al to Denn on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:38 am

Trumps offence was holding back funds (not his funds) until he was granted a "favor", and the obstruction of congress that followed.

UHH No #1 read the transcript #2 the one and only fact witness said clearly Trump said NO QUID PR QUO!
and besides the funds were released without an investigation.

The dem's have been trying to impeach our president 1 week after he got int office, the truth is they thought Hillary had the election in the bag and wh Trump won they started throwing tantrum's.
here in Utah our democrat congressman (Ben McAdams) said he would vote for impeachment even before the articles of Impeachment were laid out, We are go to send Ben McAdams a case of chapstick because he is a partyline puppet but kisser and I am sure his lips are chapped.

i'm listening to the shit show on the radio. npr is trying to drown out the republicans talking as much as they can with their 'news'. the whole thing is a shit show and not done properly. so they are giving people a few mins to talk each.

they should have had a proper hearing with people testifying.
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Denn wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

True, Instead they charged him with abuse of power and obstructing Congress, the only problem is what he did was ask about corruption from

The main problem is that the Dems can't charge Trump with Obstruction. Only the courts can do that. And the Dems, illegally, keps the courts out of the Impeachment.

I belive Trumps Impeachment will be overturned or he will be aquitted.

Until/unless the House passes it to the Senate, there is no Impachment. All the House did was vote on whether or not to send the "charges" to the Senate for trial.

... A lie can be half way round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

Especially with the Propaganda Machine....er.... Left Wing Media that we have today.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Denn on Mon Dec 23 2019 05:52 pm

The main problem is that the Dems can't charge Trump with Obstruction. Only the courts can do that. And the Dems, illegally, keps the courts out of the Impeachment.

whats funny is people actually thought that donald trump was no longer president. funny and sad.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Denn on Mon Dec 23 2019 05:52 pm

True, Instead they charged him with abuse of power and obstructing
Congress, the only problem is what he did was ask about corruption
from

The main problem is that the Dems can't charge Trump with Obstruction. Only the courts can do that. And the Dems, illegally, keps the courts out of the Impeachment.

Now the house laywers are trying to get him on the Mueller report findings, It's sad they have to keep trying the same old crap.

... A lie can be half way round the world before the truth has got
its boots on.

Especially with the Propaganda Machine....er.... Left Wing Media that we have today.

I remember when the news was fairly unbiased, boy those days are gone.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: MRO to Dr. What on Mon Dec 23 2019 11:02 pm

whats funny is people actually thought that donald trump was no longer president. funny and sad.

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it to her.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 24 2019 01:22 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it to

He wasn't.

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HusTler wrote to Denn <=-

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 24 2019 01:22 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it to

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Tue Dec 24 2019 07:38 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 24 2019 01:22 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it

He wasn't.

he was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice.
he was acquitted because they didnt get the 2/3 vote.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Tue Dec 24 2019 07:38 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove
it to

He wasn't.

Eh? I remember him being impeached, but they didn't remove him from office for it.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:57 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it to

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:57 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

Well, that is because the Senate did not vote to remove him from
office. That does not change the fact that he was impeached. He
was.

Impeachment and removal-from-office are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The House impeaches, the Senate removes from office (or not).

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump. Clinton was not
removed from office by the Senate, and it's highly unlikely that
Trump will be. Still, both were impeached.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Tue Dec 24 2019 07:38 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 24 2019 01:22 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove it

He wasn't.

Yes he was Impeached in 1998.

On December 19, 1998, Clinton became the second American president to be impeached (the first being Andrew Johnson, who was impeached in 1868), when the House formally adopted articles of impeachment and forwarded them to the United States Senate for adjudication.
Charges: Perjury, obstruction of justice :December 19, 1998 to February 12, 1999

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:09 pm

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to
prove it to

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

Thats true, because he was aquitted in the senate trial.
Same thing will happen here most likley.

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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

whats funny is people actually thought that donald trump was no longer president. funny and sad.

It seems to me that the majority of the Left is simply ignorant. They "know" only what they are told by their "leaders" and they don't apply any critical thought to what they are being told.


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Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

Now the house laywers are trying to get him on the Mueller report findings, It's sad they have to keep trying the same old crap.

The good news is that when they start campaigning in 2020, all Trump will have to do is show the Dems own sound bytes and he'll be elected for a second term.

I remember when the news was fairly unbiased, boy those days are gone.

They've been gone longer than many people think. I was pointing out this 20 years ago. But now the media (I won't say "news" because there is no more news or journalism. There is only "media".) isn't even trying to hide their bias.

It reminds me a Tucker Carlson video I saw recently. He was talking about the 1998 Romanian Revolution. When the ex-Dictator was about to be executed, he just started giving orders to the people who were about to shoot him - as though he was still in power. The Dems/Media are like this. They don't understand that they no longer have broad power. We don't blindly believe what the media says anymore and we certainly haven't blindly trusted any Congress-critter in a long time.


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Gamgee wrote to HusTler <=-

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump.

That's up for debate. For Clinton, the House adopted articles of Impeachment and forwarded them to the Senate for adjudication.

For Trump, because no articles have been sent to the Senate, there's no Impachment yet. There's just a bunch of so-called "Representatives" who said "we want to Impeach the President".

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Denn wrote to HusTler <=-

Thats true, because he was aquitted in the senate trial.
Same thing will happen here most likley.

It's looking doubtful for that. If the articles ever reach the Senate, then the Senate can start to subpoena people - and the Dems do NOT want many of them in a court.

My bet is on the articles just sitting in the House while the Left-wing Propagana Machine (er... Media) continues to say "Trump was Impeached".

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Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump.

That's up for debate. For Clinton, the House adopted articles of Impeachment and forwarded them to the Senate for adjudication.

It's not up for debate. There is nothing written that says the
articles have to reach the Senate to make an impeachment
"official". It became an official impeachment when the House vote
passed it.

For Trump, because no articles have been sent to the Senate,
there's no Impachment yet. There's just a bunch of so-called "Representatives" who said "we want to Impeach the President".

You seem be confused on the fact that impeachment and conviction
are two separate things. He has been impeached by the House,
which is the *ONLY* body who can do that. That is a done deal,
and was done when the House passed the vote to impeach. He has
not yet been tried (or convicted) by the Senate. It's quite
likely that the trial will happen in January, and all signs point
to him not being convicted (and not removed from office).

The point here is that the Impeachment has *NOTHING* to do with
the Senate. He has already been impeached.



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to HusTler on Wed Dec 25 2019 01:46 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:09 pm

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to
prove it to

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

strange that i'm missing this msg and have to quote a reply.
anyways, lots of ignorance regarding all of this.

impeachment is the statement of charges.
it doesnt mean a president is removed.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 25 2019 09:26 am

It seems to me that the majority of the Left is simply ignorant. They "know only what they are told by their "leaders" and they don't apply any critical

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:09 pm

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to
prove it to

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

Being impeached doesn't automatically mean the president will leave office. After a president is impeached, there's a trial in the senate to determine if the president will be removed or not due to the impeachment.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:35 pm

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump. Clinton was not
removed from office by the Senate, and it's highly unlikely that
Trump will be. Still, both were impeached.

Sometimes I wonder if they should try something different from ipmeachment. Impear? Imbanana? Impineapple?

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 25 2019 09:26 am

It seems to me that the majority of the Left is simply ignorant. They "know" only what they are told by their "leaders" and they don't apply any critical thought to what they are being told.

Seems like the same is true for both the left and right. I know a lot of people who seem to mainly listen to what's said by others who have similar political beliefs and go along with them.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Wed Dec 25 2019 01:54 pm

"know" only what they are told by their "leaders" and they don't apply critical thought to what they are being told.

Seems like the same is true for both the left and right. I know a lot of people who seem to mainly listen to what's said by others who have similar political beliefs and go along with them.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to Denn on Wed Dec 25 2019 11:09 am

Thats true, because he was aquitted in the senate trial.
Same thing will happen here most likley.

It's looking doubtful for that. If the articles ever reach the Senate, then the Senate can start to subpoena people - and the Dems do NOT want many of them in a court.

The Senate has already hinted they want to Subpoena Adam Schiff as the first fact wittness.

The Dem's would like nothing better than to drag this out long enough to let Hillary jump in as again.
Let's face it the Dems have no candidates right now that would even have a chance against Trump, you know they're in trouble when Old Slow (quidpro quo joe) is the best they've got.

My bet is on the articles just sitting in the House while the Left-wing Propagana Machine (er... Media) continues to say "Trump was Impeached".

Mitch McConnel will demand they get the articles sent over to the Senate.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:09 pm

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

Just because you are impeached. doesn't mean you are removed form office. Similar to a Grand Jury indictment.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:35 pm

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump. Clinton was not
removed from office by the Senate, and it's highly unlikely that
Trump will be. Still, both were impeached.

Many people believe Trump is no longer President because of the way the word "impeached" gets tossed around. Being "Impeached" has little or no meaning regarding the Office of the most poweful man in the world.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to HusTler on Wed Dec 25 2019 01:42 am

On December 19, 1998, Clinton became the second American president to be impeached (the first being Andrew Johnson, who was impeached in 1868), when the House formally adopted articles of impeachment and forwarded them to the United States Senate for adjudication.
Charges: Perjury, obstruction of justice :December 19, 1998 to February 12,

The Senate tossed out all of the about. President Clinton finished out is 8 years in the oval office. He never left his duties as President. Impeachment has no meaning. It's all politcal drama and nonsense.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to HusTler on Wed Dec 25 2019 01:46 am

Thats true, because he was aquitted in the senate trial.
Same thing will happen here most likley.

Of course he will. That's if there ever is a trial. ;-)


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to HusTler on Wed Dec 25 2019 01:42 am

On December 19, 1998, Clinton became the second American president to be impeached (the first being Andrew Johnson, who was impeached in 1868), when the House formally adopted articles of impeachment and forwarded them to the United States Senate for adjudication.
Charges: Perjury, obstruction of justice :December 19, 1998 to February 12,

The Senate tossed out all of the above. President Clinton finished out is 8 years in the oval office. He never left his duties as President. Impeachment
has no meaning. It's all politcal drama and nonsense.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Thu Dec 26 2019 12:57 pm

Many people believe Trump is no longer President because of the way the word "impeached" gets tossed around. Being "Impeached" has little or no meaning regarding the Office of the most poweful man in the world.

I'd tend to disagree. I'd think the word "impeachment" has a specific definition, and if people don't understand it, they probably just lack an understanding of what impeachment actually is. Trump was impeached, but that doesn't mean he will be removed from office. We'll have to wait and see for that.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Thu Dec 26 2019 01:01 pm

The Senate tossed out all of the about. President Clinton finished out is 8 years in the oval office. He never left his duties as President. Impeachment has no meaning. It's all politcal drama and nonsense.

No meaning? I don't think the end goal of impeachment is to remove a president from office; it's just to bring charges, as someone else has said. Bill Clinton wasn't removed from office, but he does have the impeachment on his record. To me it seems similar to getting a traffic ticket or something - You might not go to jail, but you have that on your record.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Thu Dec 26 2019 04:23 pm

No meaning? I don't think the end goal of impeachment is to remove a president from office; it's just to bring charges, as someone else has said. Bill Clinton wasn't removed from office, but he does have the impeachment on his record. To me it seems similar to getting a traffic ticket or something

The thing I don't like about this whole thing is it's been planned by the Dems since Trump took office. They don't like Trump. They don't like the fact that they are all professional politicians yet Trump was elected anyway. Hillary Clinton is/was a professional politician. Trump was elected anyway. The Dems are not going to settle for just an Impeachment. They want Trump out of Office. If he wins again the Dems will try and come up with more shit to impeach him. It's pathetic! This is a sad time for America. Nothing good for America can come out of kicking a President out of office. Just trying to impeach a President is an embarassment, disrepectful to the office and unpatriotic. Once Trump leaves we will have another loser like Gerald Ford or Carter. A "safe" President. A Professional politician. An ass kisser. One that tells everyone what that want to hear depending on which part of the country their in. Then they don't do anything they said they'd do.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to Dr. What on Wed Dec 25 2019 12:29 pm

The point here is that the Impeachment has *NOTHING* to do with
the Senate. He has already been impeached.

The really good part is if the senate votes no, if you look at the US Constitution he can run two more times. Better read up. (LAUGHING)

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Thu Dec 26 2019 01:01 pm

The Senate tossed out all of the about. President Clinton finished out is 8 years in the oval office. He never left his duties as President. Impeachment has no meaning. It's all politcal drama and nonsense.

Wait till the progressives finally figure out Trumpster is still running the show.
They will need to go into their safe rooms and color or paint.

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Havok wrote to Gamgee <=-

The point here is that the Impeachment has *NOTHING* to do with
the Senate. He has already been impeached.

The really good part is if the senate votes no, if you look at
the US Constitution he can run two more times. Better read up.
(LAUGHING)

Absolutely NOT true. The Constitution says no such thing. I
suggest you take your own advice and actually read it. Maybe even
pay extra attention to the 22nd Amendment.



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Dec 26 2019 08:59 pm

The thing I don't like about this whole thing is it's been planned by the Dems since Trump took office. They don't like Trump. They don't like the fact that they are all professional politicians yet Trump was elected anyway. Hillary Clinton is/was a professional politician. Trump was elected anyway. The Dems are not going to settle for just an Impeachment. They want Trump out of Office. If he wins again the Dems will try and come up with more shit to impeach him. It's pathetic! This is a sad time for

I had heard a lot of republicans don't like Trump anymore either. It's weird to think that if someone breaks the law or abuses their power, if anyone tries to go after them or call them out, sometimes people say it's just because people don't like that person.. If anyone breaks a law or abuses their power, shouldn't the law be applied equally? And the president isn't above the law.

America. Nothing good for America can come out of kicking a President out of office. Just trying to impeach a President is an embarassment, disrepectful to the office and unpatriotic. Once Trump leaves we will have another loser like Gerald Ford or Carter. A "safe" President. A Professional politician. An ass kisser. One that tells everyone what that want to hear depending on which part of the country their in. Then they don't do anything they said they'd do.

I don't know if they'd be any worse than Trump, but I suppose time will tell.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Fri Dec 27 2019 10:05 am

I had heard a lot of republicans don't like Trump anymore either. It's weir

that's just part of the liberal media bullshit.

they recently caught a fake ad campaign about a guy who said he voted for trump but then regretted it.

they proved he didnt even vote that year. the ads are still running.

I don't know if they'd be any worse than Trump, but I suppose time will tell

trump has done a great job. black unemployment is the lowest; there's more jobs than people. i'm doing great personally thanks to trump.

trump has shown that an outsider can take office and get results. he clashed with everyone and still has done great things that no other president bothered to do.

what we have going on now is unhealthy competition. the democrats can't find a suitable opponent for the next election so they are doing mudslinging.
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On 12/27/2019 9:26 AM, Gamgee wrote:

Havok wrote to Gamgee <=-

Ga> The point here is that the Impeachment has *NOTHING* to do with
Ga> the Senate. He has already been impeached.

Ha> The really good part is if the senate votes no, if you look at
Ha> the US Constitution he can run two more times. Better read up.
Ha> (LAUGHING)

Absolutely NOT true. The Constitution says no such thing. I
suggest you take your own advice and actually read it. Maybe even
pay extra attention to the 22nd Amendment.

He meant Trump's US Constitution, not the old one Trump threw away.

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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 25 2019 09:26 am

It seems to me that the majority of the Left is simply ignorant. They "know only what they are told by their "leaders" and they don't apply any critical

CNN

Ahhh.. Yes... The Communist "News" Network. 8)


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Mindless Automaton wrote to Gamgee <=-

Absolutely NOT true. The Constitution says no such thing. I
suggest you take your own advice and actually read it. Maybe even
pay extra attention to the 22nd Amendment.

He meant Trump's US Constitution, not the old one Trump threw away.

What about the one that the Dems have been using as toilet paper for the last decade or so?


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 12:11 pm

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Denn on Tue Dec 24 2019 07:38 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 24 2019 01:22 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove

He wasn't.

he was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice.
he was acquitted because they didnt get the 2/3 vote.

Didn't they charge him with 11 or 17 actual crimes too?
Bi-Partisan support, his counsel allowed in on everything, he was allowed to call witnesses.

interesting. 11-17 actual crimes.

0 crimes for Trump.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:35 pm

HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue Dec 24 2019 09:57 am

My wife didn't believe that Bill Clinton was impeached, I had to prove

He wasn't.

Ummmmmmm....... Yes, he was impeached.

He never left office.

Well, that is because the Senate did not vote to remove him from
office. That does not change the fact that he was impeached. He
was.

Impeachment and removal-from-office are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The House impeaches, the Senate removes from office (or not).

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump. Clinton was not
removed from office by the Senate, and it's highly unlikely that
Trump will be. Still, both were impeached.

... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.

They didn't remove Nixon either right?
Didn't he leave on his own?


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Zombie Mambo wrote to Gamgee <=-

Impeachment and removal-from-office are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The House impeaches, the Senate removes from office (or not).

Clinton was indeed impeached, and so was Trump. Clinton was not
removed from office by the Senate, and it's highly unlikely that
Trump will be. Still, both were impeached.

They didn't remove Nixon either right?

Correct, because he resigned before he could be removed. The
House started the impeachment process but he quit before it ever
got to a vote, so officially he was never impeached.

Didn't he leave on his own?

Yep, he resigned before the impeachment process was completed.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Gamgee to Zombie Mambo on Mon Dec 30 2019 09:44 pm

House started the impeachment process but he quit before it ever
got to a vote, so officially he was never impeached.

Didn't he leave on his own?

Yep, he resigned before the impeachment process was completed.

Yea and then Ford Pardoned him. Political nonsense. All of it!

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Hi HusTler!

tells everyone what that want to hear depending on which part of the country their in. Then they don't do anything they said they'd do.

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not used to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign. Granted, Trump hasn't done everything he said he would do but he's only human :)

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Bryan Handfield to HusTler on Sun Dec 29 2019 08:11 am

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not used to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign. Granted, Trump hasn't done everything he said he would do but he's only human :)

It's difficult to get things done when your up against people that want to fight you just because you're you. :-(. I doubt I'll ever vote for a democrate again after all is said and done.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Bryan Handfield on Fri Jan 10 2020 10:04 am

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not us to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign.

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Thu Jan 23 2020 07:30 pm

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?

most 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES. Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Womens unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.

Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.

Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.

Imposed tariffs on China in response to Chinas forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.

We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.



So you've been sleeping under a rock or what?
Everyone is getting really tired of the cry babbies on the extreme left.
the real truth is Trump said he would drain the swamp, the swamp is digging in fighting for thier political lives, Trump has exposed the corruption of the swamp people.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Dmxrob on Fri Jan 24 2020 12:11 am

most 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES. Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Womens unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.

Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.

Imposed tariffs on China in response to Chinas forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.

We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

So you've been sleeping under a rock or what?
Everyone is getting really tired of the cry babbies on the extreme left. the real truth is Trump said he would drain the swamp, the swamp is digging in fighting for thier political lives, Trump has exposed the

Vary well said! :)

Dmxrob wrote to HusTler <=-

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not us to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign.

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the
shithole somewhere?

Have you been in a coma for three years? Watch some news.

Might want to check how your 401(k) is doing, too...



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Dmxrob on Fri Jan 24 2020 12:11 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Thu Jan 23 2020 07:30 pm

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?

* Bunch of BS I am not going to read.

Take your FOX news talking script and send it to the bit bin.


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Gamgee wrote to Dmxrob <=-

Have you been in a coma for three years? Watch some news.

The sorry thing is, he's probably been watching "news" (like CNN and the such).


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to Denn on Fri Jan 24 2020 11:41 am

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?

* Bunch of BS I am not going to read.

Take your FOX news talking script and send it to the bit bin.

you asked, he told you and you wont read it.

remember liberal, trump is your president.
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Bryan Handfield on Fri Jan 10 2020 10:04 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Bryan Handfield to HusTler on Sun Dec 29 2019 08:11 am

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not us to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign. Granted, Trump hasn't done everything he said he would do but he's only human :)

It's difficult to get things done when your up against people that want

HusTler@ havens.synchro.net

Yes but their argument is that Obama had to deal with the same issue- the reps wouldn't work with him. What did he do? He shoved his policies down our throats despite rep support.

Waiting for Trump to pull that move. So far, hasn't seem to have been done.

The left realizes they will lose seats if they don't get something done.

I'm not left or right, but i do lean a bit right.
The reason I can't get with the left (despite originally being one in my youth) is because they don't seem grounded in reality. They don't think their plans out for the long term, they are willing to put people in a bad situation to elevate another in a bad situation who hasn't taken steps to get themselves out of it, and quite frankly because more often than not, liberals seem like mean people...

I am basing that on interactions, not conspirace you know, so Gamgee doesn't creep up on my ass and call me a stupid, uneducated conspiracy theorist.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Thu Jan 23 2020 07:30 pm

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: HusTler to Bryan Handfield on Fri Jan 10 2020 10:04 am

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaig promise... thats why Trump is not liked by most people as they are not to a politician doing what they said would do during their campaign.

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere

What country/reality are you living in?
He's done quite a bit.

Why is he a "shithole" and what do you think he should have done thusfar?


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to Denn on Fri Jan 24 2020 11:41 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Dmxrob on Fri Jan 24 2020 12:11 am

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Thu Jan 23 2020 07:30 pm

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?

* Bunch of BS I am not going to read.

Take your FOX news talking script and send it to the bit bin.

Typical comeback, DMXROB. You make liberals look bad.

By the way, DMX is cool, what happened to you?


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Thu Jan 23 2020 19:30:00

Re: Obstruction

Shocking that a politician will actually do what was said in a campaign promise... thats why Trump is not
liked by most people as they are not us to a politician doing what they said would do during their
campaign.

What has the jackass done? Or did I miss a tweet from the shithole somewhere?

For better or worse, got the border wall/fence expanded a few hundred miles, per border patrol requests. Opened negotiations with North Korea. Fought against the trade imbalance with China, something I thought was going to happen anyway. There are a few things I don't agree with though.

I'm not a fan of him personally, but do agree with about 2/3 of his policy decisions. Like always, I'll probably be voting for the guy with the L next to his name in the next general.

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MRO wrote to Dmxrob <=-

you asked, he told you and you wont read it.

remember liberal, trump is your president.

Some people have been trying to use the term "Left" to describe people like this, as opposed to "liberal".

Classical liberals are more Republican than Democrat today. JFK, for example. His policies are more in line with Republicans than what the Democrats have become.


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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Jan 26 2020 12:25 pm

MRO wrote to Dmxrob <=-

you asked, he told you and you wont read it.

remember liberal, trump is your president.

Some people have been trying to use the term "Left" to describe people like this, as opposed to "liberal".

Classical liberals are more Republican than Democrat today. JFK, for exampl His policies are more in line with Republicans than what the Democrats have

the muddying of labels and boundries is part of the big scheme of things to corrupt everything.
it makes it real easy to pull shit on people when there's a lot of gray areas.

jfk is long dead and there's no democrat alive that is anything close to him.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Jan 26 2020 12:25 pm

MRO wrote to Dmxrob <=-

you asked, he told you and you wont read it.

remember liberal, trump is your president.

Some people have been trying to use the term "Left" to describe people like this, as opposed to "liberal".

Classical liberals are more Republican than Democrat today. JFK, for exampl His policies are more in line with Republicans than what the Democrats have become.

In the 1970's after the Age of the Democrats ended, the Dems became all-inclus ive to any underdog they could muster for support and numbers. This is when the leftist groups began asserting muscle over other groups in the party.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dmxrob to Denn on Fri Jan 24 2020 11:41 am

Take your FOX news talking script and send it to the bit bin.

Sorry I hardly ever watch Fox News, I never watch CNN.

I get my news from sources that actually vet news stories and do real investigative work like the Hill and News Max.
BTW Fox News has both left wingers and right wingers.
Even CNN can't dispute Trumps accomplishments, so go ahead bury your head in the dirt and go listen to your godess Racheal (area 51) Maddow.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Brokenmind to Denn on Fri Jan 24 2020 11:03 am

Vary well said! :)

Thanks :)

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Jan 26 2020 12:25:00

Some people have been trying to use the term "Left" to describe people like this, as opposed to "liberal".

I'm with you on that... the modern Left is emphatically *NOT* "liberal" in either a classic or even more modern sense. Liberal and Libertarians are definitely not leftists.

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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Tracker1 to Dr. What on Tue Jan 28 2020 10:20 pm

Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Jan 26 2020 12:25:00

Some people have been trying to use the term "Left" to describe people

I'm with you on that... the modern Left is emphatically *NOT* "liberal" in e

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I agree. Liberal and convservative were originally economic terms, then somehow it blended in with polarities of social values and opinions of more or less government and left and right wing political ideologies.

The modern descriptions have become so polarized anyone sharing values from both sides gets ridiculed and shamed. Some debates sound like what I imagine new inmates sound like the first day they step in prison. Instead they try
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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Brokenmind on Mon Jan 27 2020 11:20 pm

By: Brokenmind to Denn on Fri Jan 24 2020 11:03 am

Vary well said! :)

Thanks :)

Your welcome!

Might want to check how your 401(k) is doing, too...

Mine has gone down a little over the past few days, but is still doing
better than it ever has.


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Might want to check how your 401(k) is doing, too...

Mine has gone down a little over the past few days, but is still
doing better than it ever has.

Yep, same here.



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Re: Re: Obstruction
By: Denn to Dmxrob on Fri Jan 24 2020 12:11 am

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES. Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded. Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded. Womens unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

Wow, Reading this i really want to go legally to USA and vote for Trump!

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