I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
On 03-06-20 13:45, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:16 am
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and
over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Well, Space Seed/Khan was originally done in TOS, and the Wrath of Khan idea was effectively resone in the second JJ Abrhams movie. We haven't had a rehash of an old Borg story..... yet!
On 03-06-20 21:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were introduced in
TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting humans earlier
into history?
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of
the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were
introduced in TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting
humans earlier into history?
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
On 03-07-20 11:47, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
True. The reboot movies are in the TOS era though, and the Borg are
more in the TNG era.
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I
heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad
to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
On 03-09-20 12:40, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That might be a tough thing to do now that the Picard show has started.
The Picard show is in the main timeline, and they have continued with
the idea that Romulus was destroyed. So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly and all that.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
VK3JED wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once
they've finished with it.
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
On 03-10-20 09:56, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they
did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before,
but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what
happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the
past has changed' type of reboot.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I
don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
On 03-13-20 01:03, Lupine Furmen wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed' type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had come be e design of the Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I'
D.
Nightfox
The Enterprise was already in the temporal vortex when that happened, which protected them from the effects of the change.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
In Assignment Earth though, Gary 7's work is necessary to prevent the timeline
from going astray. This establishes a pre-destined future where
whatever acts in the past affect the main timeline downstream.
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before. For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 23 2020 01:42 pm
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, th seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather t creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Trek has a long, storied history of retconning things. :)
DaiTengu
... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 26 2020 04:11 am
>> I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
>> years or so after Nemesis.
Tr> I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go
Tr> either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died, etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can
go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Mar 27 2020 09:29 am
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can Tr>> go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
Ah.. Even then, I thought the Picard show was fairly clearly in the main ti
Nightfox
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:02 pm
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before.
For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
On 03-29-20 08:50, Prime wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ever since I watched the first reboot movie, I have been firmly
convinced that the entire timeline is just Spock in it for the lulz. I mean, in the timeline he's from, it has been demonstrated that even shortly after coming back from the dead, he has the mental capacity to
do the calculations needed to intentionally travel through time. Given
that, he has everything he needs to just go undo the entire situation,
any time he wants. He just needed a vaction and a chance to harrass
Kirk for a while. :-P
DAITENGU wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi.
Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time
a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as
it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
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