Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services n
, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's o
y one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really wort
it.
MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am
movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am
The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.
It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
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Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is
in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet
with 600-700ms latency.
I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming service.
:(
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm
Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are i a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what th offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
Expensive, yes, but Starlink has licked the latency problem. And afaik no ca
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
I threw out most of my old DVDs years ago but kept some of the classics such the original Star Wars Trilogy along with around 10 other movies that I didn want to part with. I obviously haven't used the discs becuase most of those movies, along with Star Wars, are on either Netflix or Disney+. They are the just incase the internet goes down.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I s
You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mount
I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move onto th
next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrently but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a
virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was
no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and
rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VHS recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disposed
of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are going
the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too many
vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve some more
old tech.
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Before Disney+ I recall Disney would only release their classic stuff every couple of years, claiming you better get it now or you'll never know when the next chance will come. In other words, the next time your girl can get all the princess films, she will be too old to care about them.
Andeddu wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for
2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then
move onto the next one for 2-3 months.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am
I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rel on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Thos are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their lim s so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my o _____
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I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move ont next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrent but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.
A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available o or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buyi virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that ti from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Gre shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VH recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disp of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve som old tech.
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At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned in the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops we issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:09 pm
I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.
When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory car ranspired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so. https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-movi
In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drive --
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Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limit
storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS de
ces. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of m
personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just strea
it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)
Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned
out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have
the physical disk. <shrugs>
SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with would destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off at the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I'm sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.
Hello Arelor!
** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:
Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mountain towns. Give your VHS tapes to the thrift stores in one of those.
A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:51 pm
At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned i the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. rms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, _____
-=: Kaelon :=-
Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have the physical disk. <shrugs>
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms large in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital formats making it to the next generational archiving.)The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on multiple media, and migrate it to newer formats every so often.
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was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it several times and it still worked when the snow melted.
i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intentional.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
I cannot binge watch either as I don't have a particularly long attention span.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:51 pm
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true her Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms larg in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital form making it to the next generational archiving.)The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on mult
_____
Even then things go missing...
So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much o
I think we are in a new digital 'dark age'. In later years, people will loo ch isn't that old, which links to a tweet, and that tweet is gone.
Then add to that peoples poor data handling, people losing their digital dat 'cloud' services, but will they hang forever?
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:45 am
SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with wou destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I' sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.
was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it sev i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intent
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.I'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio stream. At worst, you can just encode it into a seperate audio file.
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as
the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let you extract that channel, or encode that additional channel instead.
I went the other way once, took digital tracks and made a DVD out of them. It was a lot of fun, you could make your own title screen and menus, select what options and where they'd go on the screen, and lay out chapters on the disk.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.
Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for CDs, so they could fi
So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much of that is still around? archive.org does a decent job, but good like finding some sites from the late 90's.
I tend to watch a half hour episode of a particular series in the morning on m
phone or iPad when having my breakfast before watching a single episode of something longer in the evening on returning home from work and having dinner.
Really? I assume you've tried the usual methods to remove the DRM and copy-pro
ction schema? Handbreak + AnyDVD / Slyfox combination?
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranked so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior rea
ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the final exam.
Handbrake could not find anything to pull off the DVD... well, except the commercial tracks. Those don't have any protection on them I guess.
MakeMKV can extract videos from a DVD (and blu-ray) into a .mkv file, and then you could use something to extract the audio track (such as StaxRip, which can separate out all the video and audio tracks). I have a feeling there may be easier wasy to rip just the audio track though..
Nightfox
Complete agree. While archive.org does a decent job - of that I agree - they are only really capturing a miniscule fraction of all webpages. Think of the vast troves of really great sites (not to mention the countless crap-sites!) from Geocities, Lycos, HomeStead, etc. Gone. Completely.
Again, I channel a lot of the people that write about this sort of stuff and they beg, plead even, to just print everything out. Photos. Books. Posts. Whatever you care about, if you want it to survive for posterity, affix it to some physical format.
I cannot imagine that future generations will ever care to even try and unscramble the worthless ancient formats, even if they can get their hands on it. The Digital Detritus will be swept away by failed sites and unarchived flotsam.
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I am not familiar with the other two but, based on the order you have them in, I am assuming that Handbrake has to do something first that it cannot
do if it cannot find anything?
I've never used Handbrake for disc ripping, only transcoding.. I didn't even realize Handbrake could do that. Usually I rip discs with Makemkv, and then transcode the resulting video with Handbrake to make it smaller.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but you use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys to your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able to pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any rate.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:23 pm
We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode eve format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.
Recently I was thinking that if they did start to distribute movies on USB f tanding is that blu-ray and optical drives have a set of keys stored inside
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is n longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before qualit begins to decline.
That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still haven't had a hat I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was still able to re
For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to wonder if th
Nightfox
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranke so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the fina exam.
You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, v
i've done that.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but yo
use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys
o your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able
o pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any te.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
ahhhh, I will check into that!
As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.
val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator ( assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
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I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment
Hello Arelor!
** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:
Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's andI'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio strea
actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let
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Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant
dime past its expiration date.
Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a
significant dime past its expiration date.
It is just like books. Books make most of their profit
during their commertial lives within the first 6 months of
publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping along
through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.
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