But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
When I was a little kid, younger than 5, I was have a great day at the beach with my mother. Everything was great until a group of 5 black women beat my mother infront of me and dragged me out into the water and held my head under water.
Since then i've probably had hundreds of bad encounters with black people.
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country, especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch yn fawr
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr
The problem as I see it is that one political side is willing to throw
out undesirables, to use rhetoric and power to sieze the moral
zeitgeist, and other...isn't. At least not now.
I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographics of the area.
End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no business being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever heard a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?
It won't happen in our generation. Maybe the next. I drove by a
schoolyard in my old neighborhood a few years back and looked at the
kids. I didn't see white kids, black kids, brown kids, yellow kids -- I
saw a mix of ethnicities.
I suppose we'll have white folks clinking to what used to be the status
quo and the rest of the county integrating cultures and ethnicities for
some time.
Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.
It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
These people who force these policies will have to be held accountable at some time./
Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
See other nations will be able to maintain their identit.y White nations become a "mix". So white people, and only white people disappear.
Josh Bailey wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm
I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm
Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales having its own
healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.*free
Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Re: Free SpeechWell show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.
It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm
You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr
Quoting Josh Bailey to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm
I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mickey <=-
Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Quoting Josh Bailey to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:28 pm
I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.
I'm ethnically Welsh and Wales is a country so i may be in the UK physically and legally a citizen iw ould never say i was from the UK.
It would be like saying i was from North America instead of saying
Canada, or USA or mexico.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm
You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Free Speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i
don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.
Cougar428 wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
I'll never be mistaken for a moderator, but I don't seem to be able to
follow your conversation. Your reply doesn't really contain any
context for me to grab onto.
Re: Free Speechjust use google.
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm
Re: Free SpeechWell show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.
That would only be true if we accepted that the government has a legitimate claim to authority, which is debatable.
ie. do you think it is ethical for a political party that got in power with 23% of the votes to build infrastructure which is clearly not
needed while politicians and contractors divert 50% of the budget of
each project to their pockets?
When people condemns tax evasion they do so based on the idealized
model of what the State is and what it does represent instead of what
the government *actually is* and how it behaves in practice.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on
political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
Foriest Jan Smith wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor
on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm
I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.
It is easy.
In a modern nation-state it is understood that the legitimacy of
authority comes from the fact they represent the interests of the
people, who delegates power in the government. I don't agrtee but let's follow with the argument.
If a government does NOT represent the interest of the voters then you cannot say they are using the power the people delegated on it as intended. If they are outright abusing such power and not representing
the people then they don't get to claim they work with the authority of the people and therefore nobody must take their ethical claims
seriously.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm
Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales
having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what
you can get in England.
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MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
Wow! MRO, you often (okay, USUALLY) post things I do not agree with. But in this instance....
TOUCHE!
Well played Sir! Well played!
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at h s://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?gucc ter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK r5_lSdPCh12lsrThlFcL5Y525maW5O9vX_rx4b0m9XmXlohG4B2andN6CkoUBiLk-m5EXrYThKjz rEspaOVvhS4qGZK_Ooc17X2o2KbDVJB7tN9S5VsBSyj3MKc-Hq5_V7WUO_PleObQbb2nF7gpc5QH 8EqdyJHub
Suffice it to say, if a US citizen were to visit the UK, they need to be EXTREMELY careful about what, how, and where they say something. As a US citizen who has never been to the UK before, I could be subject to arrest in the UK for things I have posted on social media in the past should I ever vi that oppressive regime.
The last time I visited England (30 years ago) It was a beautiful country full of wonderful history and lovely people. Today, the country is a total shithole, just remember as with the so called British invasion, they are about a year ahead of us. Get ready.
Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Weatherman on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:21:52
The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope
I must have slept in that day as I completely missed it.
The only time this stuff about UK hate speech laws ever seems to come up is when someone from the USA says what a travesty it is. It's fairly controvers here when it gets used, but that's almost never. I haven't heard anything ab it in at least a year.
BobW
Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
You mean like... George Floyd?
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
That's a very reductive argument.
Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
You mean like... George Floyd?
The Tuskeegee Airmen.
Medgar Evers.
Colin Powell.
Jackie Robinson.
Charles Calvin Rogers.
and more...
Britain will be minority White within a few decades.
Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Bob Worm on Mon Jun 09 2025 17:16:10
Britain will be minority White within a few decades.
OK, I'm out.
BobW
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That is because some arguments are very simple. That does not mean they are bad.
Translation in simple terms:
- "Somebody who does extreme things is an extremist"
- Your answer is that is a reductionist argument, then you justify extremist stances.
Case is settled.
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Arelor wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I have a really cool moment in memory
with the equally extremely cool
Crosspoint software.
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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly) used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think Yahoo! Chat account.
I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write messages on all the networks with Pidgin.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a
phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Iliked MSN because I didn't feel to concerned about giving people by MSN handle,
strangers I could talk to that I wouldn't necessarily want to add in my phone book.
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and
chat
clients could work without a central controller.
Hey;
just an FYI, neither Signal, FB messenger, nor Telegram make people use phone numbers to share contacts. Instead you share contacts via username because phone numbers are outdated for that kinda thing.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:27 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a
world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
the
NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you
might
think.
I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever
info they can people and sell it.
it's probably happening all the time.
Yes, I know that argument, and I know all to well the kind of person who makes that argument.
You made your point. I get it.
The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.
By not plastering your info everywhere, you make it difficult for miscreants. I've been able to protect myself many
times by being prudent, and I know that for a *FACT*.
I'm not arguing this anymore
So tell me, where do I live?
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:05 pm
* I Had to lookup the ELECTRONIC Communications ACT, and I have a File about this matter. But, The Electronic Frontier Foundation website (EFF) has lawyers !
MrSteve@TheAlienZoneBBS.org
My goodness, now there is a name from the past. My father used to spend many hours fighting with Crosspoint for work, although I do not remember many specifics it didn't help that our crappy phone lines barely got in the mid 30-kbps nevermind 56k.
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