• RE: BBS Forum Sysops Fine

    From Mike@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Accession on Monday, January 26, 2026 11:28:34
    On Jan 25, 2026 02:04pm, Accession wrote to Mike:

    Hey Mike!

    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 14:33:38 +0100, you wrote:

    I can live just fine with someone not liking the internet, even though
    he/she/it use it every day. It's the same with the way a forum
    approaches and presents a topic on the www. Everything is fine from my
    perspective!

    If I remember correctly, you had previously mentioned that it is out of your realm of expertise/knowledge to do what I mention below, but rather than trying to get people that don't like using web forums to try
    using... web forums.. How about trying to expand your knowledge and expertise and utilize FTN /into/ your message forums? This way people
    that don't like using web forums can still communicate with the people
    that access your web forum?

    Would that not bridge a pretty huge gap in communications between the
    two?

    Currently, it looks like you are using (and maybe even paying for?) some cloud based forum software, with a light-weight wiki add-on. If indeed
    you are paying for this monthly, or yearly, I'd like to ask how much different it actually is than this (which can definitely be improved
    upon, graphically, by anyone), for example:

    https://pharcyde.org/?page=001-forum.ssjs&group=0

    I guess what I'm saying here is, there are actual BBS softwares that already seem to have this "forum" style messaging built in - and already supports communication via FTN networks, so there is no need to gain expertise/knowledge on creating your own, etc.

    I'm not trying to put what you're doing down, whatsoever. So please
    don't take it that way. I was just looking at some comparible stuff and wondering why you chose to go the route that you did. Either way, keep
    on doing whatever makes you happy!

    Regards,
    Nick

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    Hello Nick

    First of all... Thank you for your constructive suggestions!
    I would like to first comment on the upper section, if that's alright?

    This is relatively easy to explain. At the end of 2023, I started to seriously engage with the topic of BBS again. I hadn't done anything for 23 years; I was never really the programmer either (probably no talent for something like that).

    What struck me back then, besides the Wildcat Interactive Net Server that was used/choiced, was that in addition to the language problems (English - German, technical English - technical German), you had to search a long time on the
    WWW before you could get a rough overview of the hobby. Perhaps this is also because, over the 23 years, I have inevitably just gotten 23 years older? I don't want to dispute that right now!

    Long story short: I was never the programmer, more of a user of existing software. My talent is therefore limited.

    The forum software was therefore purchased after I had weighed the pros and cons of the software available on the market a little. The add-ons as well.
    If the timing works out, I will also tackle the wiki.

    Let's move on to the next point: I had to start with something within the
    scope of my mental capabilities and skills. And maybe I am taking the easier route for me? So I focused on the content first. Unfortunately, a forum is not really suitable, or barely suitable at all, for properly describing and categorizing mass uploads. So each program, tool, utility, door, door game,
    and and and, must be entered and descriped individually.

    Therefore, since I am now hanging around as a one man show, I am maintaining/adding programs, doors, and tools, etc., in this endless loop, along with information (simple research) on the topic of BBS in the www.

    Since my day also only has 24 hours, and there is still a working life (although due to my retirement it is no longer 220 days a year), but with the German Armed Forces as a reservist for 5-7 months a year, alongside normal family life, time is limited, as it is for many here.

    Regarding the connector in the Fido or FTN: Apart from the fact that, as described above, I don't even have the time to learn the skills, I do have
    some concerns about this possibility. I had mentioned that I don't want to see the forum as competition to the BBSs or the Nets! The idea itself is quite
    very appealing to me, although I have some legal concerns with one or another network that uses real names!

    Therefore, I initially focused on introducing the respective still existing
    FTN and mentioning contact persons (Zone Coordinators). Certainly, one could further expand on the content, and I will most likely do so. But in my view, the first step is to first highlight the diversity and history of this wonderful and creative hobbies.

    All in all, the forum is explained by the personal facts of my person
    described above and therefore develops more slowly than it would in a collaborative effort where everyone can contribute their ideas and strengths. And the fact that often, and now I will try to express myself cautiously, things are depicted and discussed here and there mostly in a manner specific
    to certain software. Broadly, that is, across all platforms and still existing programs, actually to my knowledge, concentrated to one point not.

    All in all, I can still imagine many things that the forum could offer or accomplish. But honestly, I rely on a bit of help for that. And everyone reading along knows that it doesn't come and probably never will.
    No blame! Just the reality.

    I can only keep repeating that I would be very happy if the project, the idea, gained more approval.

    Mike

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  • From Mike@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Ogg on Monday, January 26, 2026 12:37:16
    On Jan 25, 2026 02:01pm, Ogg wrote to Mike:

    Hello Mike!

    ** On Thursday 22.01.26 - 09:08, Mike wrote to Phigan:

    promoting this wonderful hobby in a best possible way! I already wrote,
    25,000 verifiable clicks per month. The forum is definitely being
    noticed.

    .. noticed by bots too, perhaps? That 25,000 could be misleading.


    It would be wonderful and very helpful if more of you would make an
    effort and contribute a small part. Many of you have far more knowledge
    of the subject than I could ever learn in the rest of my life. With you,
    the forum can become and be significantly definitely better! A great
    showcase for our hobby! And of course, with the necessary patience for
    the development too!

    Your best bet is to simply list the different types of active BBS
    software out there, provide links to other online resources offering
    them, discussing them and supporting them.

    https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/ ..is another fine window to the
    bbs world.


    And I stick to my thesis that all the fragmentation across the many
    portals, and even more so on the commercial ones, has not been
    beneficial
    to the thematic presentation of this hobby and still isn't. A thematic
    focus would certainly bring more to the hobby and to those interested in
    it!

    A theme named for just sysops seems limiting and doesn't sound like a
    place to attract non-sysops into the hobby, imho. ;)


    What certainly won't happen is that I give up the project, which by now
    has cost not only a lot of my time but also not insignificant amount of
    money.

    Yeah.. hosting costs can accumulate. Good luck.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.64
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    Next step:

    My statistics add everything up and unfortunately cannot distinguish. I just threw the number in there because surely there were a few that were not bots.

    In one form or another, it is already included in the forum. Programs and any existing additional links. And yes absolutely. I like his web page very weel and it has also long been referred to as an additional source of information
    in the forum! Absolutely good work he's doing there! No ifs or buts!

    The name is always a matter of interpretation. The forum needed some name. It could have been called BBS Finest as well (just as an example). What really matters is the content. Sometimes a name is just a name. But that is, or can, simply just be the result when only one person has a "brain fart". However, I had asked other sysops beforehand. Perhaps out of politeness, there were no objections or alternative suggestions at this time!

    I don't care about the money. Others go out drinking, or whatever!
    For me it's part of the hobby. And every hobby costs money!

    But I always find the constructive conversation very good, because you still take something away from it!

    Mike

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Mike on Monday, January 26, 2026 13:29:32
    Re: Re: BBS Forum Sysops Fine
    By: Mike to Phigan on Sun Jan 25 2026 02:33 pm

    I can live just fine with someone not liking the internet, even though he/she/it use it every day. It's the same with the way a forum approaches an

    The Internet is great. It's the Web that sucks. ;)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mike on Monday, January 26, 2026 15:58:03
    Re: RE: BBS Forum Sysops Fine
    By: Mike to Accession on Mon Jan 26 2026 11:28 am


    All in all, I can still imagine many things that the forum
    could offer or accomplish. But honestly, I rely on a bit of
    help for that. And everyone reading along knows that it
    doesn't come and probably never will.
    No blame! Just the reality.

    you seem like you're not cut out for something like this.

    you need time, dedication and knowledge. you cant just make a website and expect people to make it flourish.

    Also you're not really filling a void. you aren't providing anything
    that is lacking.


    --
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    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"
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  • From Mike@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Phigan on Tuesday, January 27, 2026 06:32:58
    On 26.01.2026 13:36, Phigan wrote to Mike:

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    Re: Re: BBS Forum Sysops Fine
    By: Mike to Phigan on
    Sun Jan 25 2026 02:33 pm

    I can live just fine with someone not
    liking the internet, even though
    he/she/it use it every day. It's the
    same with the way a forum approaches an

    The Internet is great. It's
    the Web that sucks. ;)

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    hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.io
    * Origin: Capitol City Online
    (723:320/1)

    But always with the possibility for the reader to chose, which
    is intereting for him!
    www is a mixed box of "sweets".
    And some things are
    indeed interesting to read! And everyone decides for themselves what that
    means to them! I think that's okay in this way! I certainly wouldn't
    generalize that!

    But that is also my personal opinion, and of course I
    respect other opinions!


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