• Caffine headaches

    From Sprite@VERT/TINTETBB to Utopian Galt on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:23:42
    Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sun Feb 23 2020 13:24:00

    I hear you on the caffeine headaches. Caffeine withdrawal is the worst. I literally had an easier time stopping smoking than I do tapering down from caffeine. There was one period in my life where I stopped it for several months, but that was somewhere between 15 and 20 years ago now.
    I actually wrote an android app for logging and tapering different meds and substances, and I'd been using that at one point for tapering my caffeine usage, but I gave up awhile ago. Can't remember why. I should probably try it again since I don't really have much in the way for obligations where the discomfort would cause me too many problems.
    Wish you the best with your reduction!

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  • From Sprite@VERT/TINTETBB to DaiTengu on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:26:44
    Re: Caffine headaches
    By: DaiTengu to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 23 2020 17:47:32

    Not so sure that using excedrin migraine for caffeine withdrawal headaches
    is the best idea. If the point is to get away from caffeine they do have a pretty whopping dosage. I can't remember what it was off the top of my head but I keep thinking that it was at least a couple of thickly brewed mugs of it that they were worth.
    As far as the NSAID sensitivity, I can vouch for that, too. I can't take the stuff at all or I'll get a gut bleed. Then again even the heart maintenance dosage of aspirin (or a low dosage of any other NSAID, including naproxen) will cause me to start bleeding from the guts pretty quick, too.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Saturday, February 29, 2020 23:31:40
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Nelgin to Utopian Galt on Thu Feb 27 2020 10:51 am


    The only other time in recent memory would be doing shots and I forget to tell the bartender, "no carbinated liquids". I still weigh too much but I'm sure my body is better for not putting that stuff in it.


    Yeah, you know alcohol is a poison to the body. probably worse for you that water with bubbles.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Monday, March 02, 2020 06:33:13
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Sat Feb 29 2020 11:31 pm

    The only other time in recent memory would be doing shots and I forget
    to tell the bartender, "no carbinated liquids". I still weigh too much
    but I'm sure my body is better for not putting that stuff in it.

    Yeah, you know alcohol is a poison to the body. probably worse for you that water with bubbles.

    It's like when people go to McDonalds, order a double quarter pounder, large fry, and a diet coke.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Thursday, March 26, 2020 04:33:27
    On 3/21/2020 7:51 AM, MRO wrote:
    Give "Lies My Doctor Told Me", "Big Fat Surprise" and "Wheat
    Belly" a read/listen for starters.

    well maybe we should stop eating like cattle so we dont end up with
    so many health issues. i dont have any health problems other than
    i'm fat. my tests are perfect each time i go. my ex who had
    diabetes and all kinds of shit was mad at me. when i want to drop
    weight i just exercise and stop eating like a pig.

    That would largely be a start.. that said, modern wheat, refined seed
    oils, refined sugars and a few other things are somewhat problematic in
    and of themselves. Not everyone responds the same.

    Also, as to your tests being fine, I'm guessing they may only be doing a resting glucose level, and possibly an a1c. A glucose tollerance test, resting insulin level and CAC and C-Peptide checks can show issues years before it shows up in your glucose levels. CAC should really be done
    every 5 years from 15yo to track progression and C-Peptide and resting
    insulin should be annual... unfortunately these aren't typically done
    without other indicators (yet). Just being overweight and/or seeing
    skin tags and other skin issues are huge issues of metabolic syndrom
    even without/before glucose levels showing a problem. It just means
    it's less far along and more easily corrected, as you mention.

    Most people can get by fine eating 1-2 meals a day about 6-8 hours
    apart, and stop snacking and would be fine... a quarterly fast of a few
    days would also help a lot, mostly to reduce cumulative disease risks.

    That said, my metabolism is very borked, and it's really hard for me to
    lose weight... Staying very low carb, eating fewer meals and adding in
    some extended fasting go a long way though... my glucose can stay
    normalized with diet alone, but losing weight is much harder... I seem
    to kick into gluconeogenesis very easy, and my resting glucose will
    remain elevated even after fasting several days, which reduces autophagy
    and fat burning. It takes a couple bad meals to kick me out, and takes
    almost 2 months to get back into ketosis on a keto diet alone, and/or
    about a 5-day fast to kick back over into mostly fat burning... but I've
    been hospitalized for DKA before, so keep a close eye on it. In
    general, I wish I knew half of what I know now when I was 19-20 or so.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Friday, March 27, 2020 18:12:00
    On 03-26-20 04:33, Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-

    That said, my metabolism is very borked, and it's really hard for me to lose weight... Staying very low carb, eating fewer meals and adding in some extended fasting go a long way though... my glucose can stay

    Interesting, everyone seems to be different. I don't have any issues maintaining weight, provided I have a certain minimum level of physical activity. I don't know what that level is, but some level of sport or lots of _very_ long walks are needed to cross that threshold. Once I'm above that threshold, it's more a case of what my composition is, but my weight hardly alters - appetite and activity seem to track very well. When I was in my early 30s, I did put on a bit of (unhealthy) weight, but from 35, I levelled off, as I got back into sport, and in more recent years, I've lost fat and gained muscle. I definitely look better than I did at 35! :)

    The covid-19 crisis will require a bit more creativity to maintain those conditions, but I do have a plan to manage that. :)

    One of my few issues, however, is susceptibility to high cholesterol, which means I need to watch my intake of saturated animal fats. If I wasn't so active, I'd probably have a sky high cholesterol level. The doctor doesn't even bother suggesting exercise, she knows I do well above the recommended minimum. :)

    normalized with diet alone, but losing weight is much harder... I seem
    to kick into gluconeogenesis very easy, and my resting glucose will
    remain elevated even after fasting several days, which reduces
    autophagy and fat burning. It takes a couple bad meals to kick me out, and takes almost 2 months to get back into ketosis on a keto diet
    alone, and/or about a 5-day fast to kick back over into mostly fat

    Ouch. I've never tried keto, something tells me it's not the right diet for my makeup. Carbs with a lot of protein and some good fats (like nuts) seem fine for me, and my fat burining is primarily the "afterburn" effect caused by high intensity workouts - something that is unavoidable for a sprinter, it's an extremely high intensity sport! :D

    burning... but I've been hospitalized for DKA before, so keep a close
    eye on it. In general, I wish I knew half of what I know now when I
    was 19-20 or so.

    Knowledge helps, that's for sure. The earlier you find out your unique issues, the better you're able to manage them. And DKA, I'm not familiar with that
    ne.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Vk3jed on Friday, March 27, 2020 09:33:47
    On 3/27/2020 12:12 AM, Vk3jed wrote:
    burning... but I've been hospitalized for DKA before, so keep a close
    eye on it. In general, I wish I knew half of what I know now when I
    was 19-20 or so.

    Knowledge helps, that's for sure. The earlier you find out your unique issues,
    the better you're able to manage them. And DKA, I'm not familiar with that ne.

    Diabetic KetoAcidosis, effectively either because of beta cell damage,
    or a dysfunctional metabolism, the body doesn't signal insulin release
    to keep ketone generation in check. For type-1 it's more common. For
    type-2 rare, but can happen, and often as a side effect/result of a
    viral infection.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Friday, March 27, 2020 08:18:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    The covid-19 crisis will require a bit more creativity to maintain
    those conditions, but I do have a plan to manage that. :)

    I subscribe to a handful of email newsletters, and 3 of them have ideas for at-home, body weight workout plans. Get those burpees going!


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:51:00
    On 03-27-20 09:33, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Diabetic KetoAcidosis, effectively either because of beta cell damage,
    or a dysfunctional metabolism, the body doesn't signal insulin release
    to keep ketone generation in check. For type-1 it's more common. For type-2 rare, but can happen, and often as a side effect/result of a
    viral infection.

    Ah OK, thanks for that info.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:52:00
    On 03-27-20 08:18, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/REALITY
    Vk3jed wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    The covid-19 crisis will require a bit more creativity to maintain
    those conditions, but I do have a plan to manage that. :)

    I subscribe to a handful of email newsletters, and 3 of them have ideas for at-home, body weight workout plans. Get those burpees going!

    Haha yeah. I have to make sure I don't creep too much into endurance. I suspect my program will have a lot of plyometrics in it. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Saturday, March 28, 2020 09:56:32
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Vk3jed to Tracker1 on Fri Mar 27 2020 06:12 pm

    Interesting, everyone seems to be different. I don't have any issues maintaining weight, provided I have a certain minimum level of physical activity. I don't know what that level is, but some level of sport or lots _very_ long walks are needed to cross that threshold. Once I'm above that threshold, it's more a case of what my composition is, but my weight hardly alters - appetite and activity seem to track very well. When I was in my ea 30s, I did put on a bit of (unhealthy) weight, but from 35, I levelled off, I got back into sport, and in more recent years, I've lost fat and gained


    i come from a family of fat people. they would never accept responsibility for their weight problems. it was always genetics or metabolism.
    the fact is, 99% of fat people are fat because they take in more calories than they burn off.

    Ouch. I've never tried keto, something tells me it's not the right diet for makeup. Carbs with a lot of protein and some good fats (like nuts) seem fin for me, and my fat burining is primarily the "afterburn" effect caused by hi intensity workouts - something that is unavoidable for a sprinter, it's an


    keto never works in the long run. people dont stick with it and it's really a strip diet. it's never going to work in the long run. my girlfriend went through all this and saw many doctors and specialists.



    i'm fat but i'm really active. i'm fat because i dont burn off the calories i took in. if i wanted to lose this weight again, i'd have to do some walking in high heat outside. just walking miles at work doesnt cut it.
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  • From August Abolins@VERT/PALANT to Mro on Saturday, March 28, 2020 19:05:00
    Hi Mro,
    In a message to Vk3Jed you wrote:

    keto never works in the long run. people dont stick with it and it's
    really a strip diet. it's never going to work in the long run. my girlfriend went through all this and saw many doctors and specialists.

    I started with a keto approach over a year ago. I was on the road to shedding the extra pounds I wanted, quite nicely in the first few weeks. Along the way, I modifiied the keto (too much bacon, and cheese in my opinion) to be basically a plant-based plan. I continued to shed pounds. Meanwhile, some physical ailments I was experiencing completely disappeared. I have more energy and stamina than I had when I ate conventional "packaged" foods and to much sugar.

    Keto was a good first step for me.

    ..Regards,
    August

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to August Abolins on Saturday, March 28, 2020 21:48:54
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: August Abolins to Mro on Sat Mar 28 2020 07:05 pm

    the extra pounds I wanted, quite nicely in the first few weeks. Along the w I modifiied the keto (too much bacon, and cheese in my opinion) to be basica a plant-based plan. I continued to shed pounds. Meanwhile, some physical ailments I was experiencing completely disappeared. I have more energy and stamina than I had when I ate conventional "packaged" foods and to much suga


    what you felt was what all people feel when losing weight. it wasnt keto doing it.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sunday, March 29, 2020 14:29:00
    On 03-28-20 09:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i come from a family of fat people. they would never accept responsibility for their weight problems. it was always genetics or metabolism. the fact is, 99% of fat people are fat because they take in more calories than they burn off.

    There are some genetic factors that will cause variation, but you are correct, weight management is a simple equation of calories in vs calories out. And 80+% of that equation actually comes from the calories in side. So first step to managing weight is looking at nutrition and making better choices there. A lot of processed food contains hidden sugar and other calorie dense ingredients. And drinks like soda and fruit juice are a real calorie trap. Substituting water will make a huge difference there.

    keto never works in the long run. people dont stick with it and it's really a strip diet. it's never going to work in the long run. my girlfriend went through all this and saw many doctors and specialists.

    There are some people who can make keto work, but they are a small minority who are able to maintain a strict eating regimen for long periods of time.

    i'm fat but i'm really active. i'm fat because i dont burn off the calories i took in. if i wanted to lose this weight again, i'd have to
    do some walking in high heat outside. just walking miles at work
    doesnt cut it. ---

    And you might need to look at the calories you're taking in. :)

    I am someone who does have quite a bit on the outgoing side of the ledger. From measurements I had done late last year (take with a grain of salt, but they will give a ballpark figure I suspect), my BMR (basal metabolic rate, or what's needed just to keep me going, without additonal activity) is 1780 calories, while my total daily energy expenditure is 2741 calories. The difference of 961 calories/day is from my activities. So what does it take to burn 960 calories/day? My typical (pre-COVID-19 shutdown) week was:

    2-3 hours of sprint based sports training per week (i.e. a lot of high intensity bursts of activity), at least one day of competition on a weekend, an hour of throwing practice, an hour of yoga, plus the general getting around of daily living, which includes a fair bit of walking. So, working on the "output" side of the above equation takes a lot more work than tweaking nutrition - more than most people are prepared to do. In my case, calories in is pretty much equal to calories out, because my weight has hardly alered (by no more than a pound or two) in the last 2 years.

    As my goal is not weight management, but sports performance, doing the work is part and parcel of that. Everything else is just a convenient side effect. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 29, 2020 01:12:55
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Mar 29 2020 02:29 pm

    i'm fat but i'm really active. i'm fat because i dont burn off the calories i took in. if i wanted to lose this weight again, i'd have to do some walking in high heat outside. just walking miles at work doesnt cut it. ---

    And you might need to look at the calories you're taking in. :)



    i'm not wondering why i'm fat. it's because i got fat and then now i'm breaking even.

    i work 2 jobs so i just work and sleep, so dont want to work out.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 29, 2020 01:27:41
    On 3/28/2020 1:29 PM, Vk3jed wrote:

    There are some genetic factors that will cause variation, but you are correct,
    weight management is a simple equation of calories in vs calories out. And 80+% of that equation actually comes from the calories in side. So first step
    to managing weight is looking at nutrition and making better choices there. A
    lot of processed food contains hidden sugar and other calorie dense ingredients. And drinks like soda and fruit juice are a real calorie trap. Substituting water will make a huge difference there.

    Calories can be considered king, but hormones are queen in terms of what
    you take in and use. The human body is not a literal furnace and
    doesn't perfectly use all types of calories... which is why Fiber is
    generally subtracted, even though it has 4 calories per gram, like most
    carbs, the body is only able to utilize a little based on your gut flora
    and a minimal fermentation. This is different for other animals
    (ruminants) that have slow, multi-chamber stomachs for fermentation.

    When I was consuming more carbs, I was unable to lose weight on
    1300-1500 calories a day (I was needing about 200 units of insulin a day
    to keep glucose in check)... going low carb, I lost weight at 2800
    calories a day. The difference is hormones.

    That's not to say you cannot overeat on a low carb diet, you absolutely
    can, but acting like it's only calories is pure ignorance. For that
    matter, if you ever want to make someone fat, add insulin.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Sunday, March 29, 2020 21:36:00
    On 03-29-20 01:27, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Calories can be considered king, but hormones are queen in terms of
    what you take in and use. The human body is not a literal furnace and doesn't perfectly use all types of calories... which is why Fiber is generally subtracted, even though it has 4 calories per gram, like most

    True, fibre is generally considered indigestible, though it performs a very important function, no need to go into that here. :)

    When I was consuming more carbs, I was unable to lose weight on
    1300-1500 calories a day (I was needing about 200 units of insulin a
    day to keep glucose in check)... going low carb, I lost weight at 2800 calories a day. The difference is hormones.

    Good point. I certainly don't have any issue with carbs. I do avoid refined sugar (as much as possible, except for the rare treat). Goes to show, we're all different. :) But yes, you have a point about hoemones and other biochemical factors.

    That's not to say you cannot overeat on a low carb diet, you absolutely can, but acting like it's only calories is pure ignorance. For that matter, if you ever want to make someone fat, add insulin.

    Sounds like a recipe for hypoglycemia for me, given that my blood sugar is pretty much in the middle of the ideal range, every time I have my annual checkup.
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  • From August Abolins@VERT/PALANT to Mro on Sunday, March 29, 2020 08:24:00
    Hi Mro,
    On <Sun, 28 Mar 20>, you wrote me:

    what you felt was what all people feel when losing weight. it wasnt
    keto doing it.

    Looking into the matter, the shedding of pounds is initially due to loss of water weight and due to the intake of less calories. It was way too easy to eat a lot of bread and cereal for example. I don't think I ever entered ketosis. To limit cals to under 50grams/day was quite impossible for me. But along the way, I learned to eat better food.

    So.. do you have an experience in this matter?

    ..Regards,
    August

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sunday, March 29, 2020 09:19:00
    MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i'm fat but i'm really active. i'm fat because i dont burn off the calories i took in. if i wanted to lose this weight again, i'd have to do some walking in high heat outside. just walking miles at work doesnt cut it. ---

    And you might need to look at the calories you're taking in. :)

    i'm not wondering why i'm fat. it's because i got fat and then
    now i'm breaking even.

    i work 2 jobs so i just work and sleep, so dont want to work out.

    He didn't say you should work out.

    He said you should reduce your calorie intake.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, March 29, 2020 08:13:00
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 2020 01:12 am

    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Mar 29 2020 02:29 pm

    i'm fat but i'm really active. i'm fat because i dont burn off the calories i took in. if i wanted to lose this weight again, i'd have do some walking in high heat outside. just walking miles at work doesnt cut it. ---

    And you might need to look at the calories you're taking in. :)



    i'm not wondering why i'm fat. it's because i got fat and then now i'm break even.

    i work 2 jobs so i just work and sleep, so dont want to work out.

    If you don't want to work out, then you have to adjust other behaviors, such
    as caloric intake and types of food due to their high calorie content. If
    you can do it, smaller snacks through the day versus 2 or 3 big meal helps
    even out calorie intake. I wokred with someone who was doing Nutri-system,
    and he achieved more with 6 smaller meals / snacks a day than paying for
    their food.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sunday, March 29, 2020 14:17:05
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Tracker1 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 2020 01:27 am

    generally subtracted, even though it has 4 calories per gram, like most carbs, the body is only able to utilize a little based on your gut flora and a minimal fermentation. This is different for other animals (ruminants) that have slow, multi-chamber stomachs for fermentation.

    When I was consuming more carbs, I was unable to lose weight on
    1300-1500 calories a day (I was needing about 200 units of insulin a day
    to keep glucose in check)... going low carb, I lost weight at 2800
    calories a day. The difference is hormones.

    That's not to say you cannot overeat on a low carb diet, you absolutely can, but acting like it's only calories is pure ignorance. For that


    call me ignorant, but if you take in more than you burn off, you get fat.
    you can get all technical about it, but that's how it works.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to August Abolins on Sunday, March 29, 2020 14:20:56
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: August Abolins to Mro on Sun Mar 29 2020 08:24 am

    Hi Mro,
    On <Sun, 28 Mar 20>, you wrote me:

    what you felt was what all people feel when losing weight. it wasnt
    keto doing it.

    Looking into the matter, the shedding of pounds is initially due to loss of water weight and due to the intake of less calories. It was way too easy to eat a lot of bread and cereal for example. I don't think I ever entered ketosis. To limit cals to under 50grams/day was quite impossible for me. Bu along the way, I learned to eat better food.

    So.. do you have an experience in this matter?


    i had a girlfriend who had a lot of health problems and tried keto a few times. she was monitored by a clinic and she did drop weight but she was miserable both times.

    she ended up putting it all back on and got a gastric bypass.

    keto is like a strip diet. it's good for a quick way to drop the pounds. it's not a life style.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, March 29, 2020 14:25:50
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Mar 29 2020 08:13 am


    i work 2 jobs so i just work and sleep, so dont want to work out.

    If you don't want to work out, then you have to adjust other behaviors, such as caloric intake and types of food due to their high calorie content. If you can do it, smaller snacks through the day versus 2 or 3 big meal helps even out calorie intake. I wokred with someone who was doing Nutri-system, and he achieved more with 6 smaller meals / snacks a day than paying for their food.


    i'm not sitting around blaming anybody and wondering what i can do.
    i know how to drop weight. i also have no health problems and all my bloodwork is great.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to August Abolins on Monday, March 30, 2020 18:19:48
    On 3/29/2020 6:24 AM, August Abolins wrote:
    Hi Mro,
    On <Sun, 28 Mar 20>, you wrote me:

    M> what you felt was what all people feel when losing weight. it wasnt
    M> keto doing it.

    Looking into the matter, the shedding of pounds is initially due to loss of water weight and due to the intake of less calories. It was way too easy to eat a lot of bread and cereal for example. I don't think I ever entered ketosis. To limit cals to under 50grams/day was quite impossible for me. But along the way, I learned to eat better food.

    So.. do you have an experience in this matter?

    Personally, I'm a proponent of eating less processed as much as
    reasonable... and avoiding the most problematic foods, modern wheat,
    seed oils and refined sugars.

    Most people drastically exceed the daily recommended intakes for sugar
    (around 38g for an adult male), also, the original suggestion for grains
    was 3-4 servings a day, not the 11 that made it into the food piramid
    after corporate interests. Many eat a lot more sweet fruits than is
    pragmatic as well.

    Where more dramatic efforts come in with regards to keto, carnivore and
    more fasting is a lot of times to overcome metabolic or other disorders
    that get worse over time. Keto is absolutely the best option for those
    that are diabetic on insulin. Exogenous insulin tends to make the issue worse, rather than better. Keto allows for insulin control for most t2d without the shots.

    Meal frequency is another issue... most people get by just fine with 1-2
    meals a day and not snacking. Unless you're a serious weight trainer or athlete with less than 5% body fat, you don't really need more than
    that... Meal timing around workouts can help.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Monday, March 30, 2020 18:24:23
    On 3/29/2020 5:13 AM, Moondog wrote:
    If you don't want to work out, then you have to adjust other behaviors, such as caloric intake and types of food due to their high calorie content. If you can do it, smaller snacks through the day versus 2 or 3 big meal helps even out calorie intake. I wokred with someone who was doing Nutri-system, and he achieved more with 6 smaller meals / snacks a day than paying for their food.

    My experience has been the reverse on meal frequency... once you get
    used to not snacking, and not drinking anything sweet between meals,
    you'll find you can last a lot longer. OMAD (One Meal A Day) is pretty common, as are IF (Intermittent Fasting) windows of 2 meals at 6-8 hours apart.

    It will vary... for the most part, it's very difficult to overeat on a
    single meal a day.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Monday, March 30, 2020 18:25:54
    On 3/29/2020 12:17 PM, MRO wrote:
    generally subtracted, even though it has 4 calories per gram, like most carbs, the body is only able to utilize a little based on your gut flora and a minimal fermentation. This is different for other animals (ruminants) that have slow, multi-chamber stomachs for fermentation.

    When I was consuming more carbs, I was unable to lose weight on
    1300-1500 calories a day (I was needing about 200 units of insulin a day
    to keep glucose in check)... going low carb, I lost weight at 2800
    calories a day. The difference is hormones.

    That's not to say you cannot overeat on a low carb diet, you absolutely can, but acting like it's only calories is pure ignorance. For that

    call me ignorant, but if you take in more than you burn off, you get fat.
    you can get all technical about it, but that's how it works.

    The point is... how much you need/burn will vary a LOT by what you are
    eating in terms of macros, and your overall metabolic health...

    If you're diabetic and on supplemental insulin, it's nearly impossible
    to actually lose weight.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 09:36:00
    Re: Re: Caffine headaches
    By: Tracker1 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 30 2020 06:19 pm

    On 3/29/2020 6:24 AM, August Abolins wrote:
    Hi Mro,
    On <Sun, 28 Mar 20>, you wrote me:

    M> what you felt was what all people feel when losing weight. it wasnt
    M> keto doing it.

    Looking into the matter, the shedding of pounds is initially due to loss o water weight and due to the intake of less calories. It was way too easy eat a lot of bread and cereal for example. I don't think I ever entered ketosis. To limit cals to under 50grams/day was quite impossible for me. along the way, I learned to eat better food.

    So.. do you have an experience in this matter?

    Personally, I'm a proponent of eating less processed as much as reasonable... and avoiding the most problematic foods, modern wheat,
    seed oils and refined sugars.

    Most people drastically exceed the daily recommended intakes for sugar (around 38g for an adult male), also, the original suggestion for grains
    was 3-4 servings a day, not the 11 that made it into the food piramid
    after corporate interests. Many eat a lot more sweet fruits than is pragmatic as well.

    Where more dramatic efforts come in with regards to keto, carnivore and
    more fasting is a lot of times to overcome metabolic or other disorders
    that get worse over time. Keto is absolutely the best option for those
    that are diabetic on insulin. Exogenous insulin tends to make the issue worse, rather than better. Keto allows for insulin control for most t2d without the shots.

    Meal frequency is another issue... most people get by just fine with 1-2 meals a day and not snacking. Unless you're a serious weight trainer or athlete with less than 5% body fat, you don't really need more than
    that... Meal timing around workouts can help.

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    Interesting. I've found with friends who have been successful with losing weight actually eat more often, but in way smaller portions. With enough int he stomach to keep it busy, they don't feel that urge to eat more, and the signal to shut off the hunger urge goes off quicker. Their caloric intake is evened out over the day instead of 2-3 larger intakes. The folks doing physical or manula labor all day would probably benefit from this, however in most cases the breaks that are given aren't spaced right to provide a snack without having to inhale it to make time.

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