Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they think he's >the
second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.

Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D

I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

Take a look at this for a bit of reference. The percentages he recites are real. The
base morality of white Evangelicals has been compromised. https://youtu.be/KS7pnPlQLcY

As for Obama and Clinton, I've never heard anyone speak of them as if they were a
religious icon. I've seen documentaries where Trump supporters have stated he's a
savior, and (somehow) a religious man. How is a man who's cheated on all of his past
and present wives, caught on tape bragging about his infidelity and adultery, cheated in both life and business, be a religious man? That certainly doesn't sound
like any religion that relates to Evangelical Christianity. Or maybe it is now, for
his while Evangelical base? Moral corruption indeed.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Draco to Dumas Walker on Fri Jan 25 2019 01:23 am

I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

Take a look at this for a bit of reference. The percentages he recites are real. The

what trump has done with this country is wonderful. we have the best economy in the world right now. there are more jobs than people.

keep lying then, trump!
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Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump >> that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill
Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D

As for Obama and Clinton, I've never heard anyone speak of them as if they were
a
religious icon. I've seen documentaries where Trump supporters have stated he's

That is because you are not related to my relatives. :) I realize there may be folks who feel that way about Trump also, but I have never personally met
any. I do personally know some who think he is Satan simply because he denied them another Clinton presidency and/or the greater possibilty of a socialist state.

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I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

That's not nearly as sinful as the stuff that democrats advocate.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: metalhead to Draco on Sat Jan 26 2019 09:19 am

I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

That's not nearly as sinful as the stuff that democrats advocate.

he eats mcdonalds. he grabs the pussy. whats wrong with that
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Draco on Fri Jan 25 2019 04:58 pm

what trump has done with this country is wonderful. we have the best economy in the world right now. there are more jobs than people.

If you actually believe this, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you, as well as some oceanfront property in Arizona...

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Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.
Not even the Democrat's dispute it.
We elected Trump for several reasons.
#1 Build the wall on our southern boarder to force Illegal Alien's to enter the US by obeying our rules.
#2 Bring back the Job's that Obama lost.
#3 Cut taxes to boost our economy.
So far Trump has done or tried to do all that we the people hired him to do. Nasty Nancy needs to fund our wall to protect the people of the USA, she say's there is no problem at the boarder she is either really stupid or she hates freedom.
most illegal Drug's come in through Mexico, then there's the violent criminal's many of whom have been deported many times and keep coming back across our boarders time after time because our borders are unsecured.
then there is the human trafficking aspect all these things could be greatly reduced with boarder funding for the boarder wall.
Donald Trump is the best president since Reagan.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.

We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

We elected Trump for several reasons.
#1 Build the wall on our southern boarder to force Illegal Alien's to enter the US by obeying our rules.

You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

#2 Bring back the Job's that Obama lost.

During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry

#3 Cut taxes to boost our economy.

For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)

So far Trump has done or tried to do all that we the people hired him to do. Nasty Nancy needs to fund our wall to protect the people of the USA, she say's there is no problem at the boarder she is either really stupid or she hates freedom.

Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
The Democrats are willing to work with Trump on border security, They're just not willing to waste money on a useless monument to his narcissim.

most illegal Drug's come in through Mexico, then there's the violent criminal's many of whom have been deported many times and keep coming back across our boarders time after time because our borders are unsecured. then there is the human trafficking aspect all these things could be greatly reduced with boarder funding for the boarder wall.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here via boat or air. Many came here through official ports. Criminal elements won't be stopped by a wall, because criminals have money. Pay attention to the El Chapo trial, he didn't sling drugs across a wall-less border, he brought them in on submarine-like boats, or via air freight. Human Trafficking isn't much different.

Donald Trump is the best president since Reagan.

If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: DaiTengu to Roadhog on Sun Jan 27 2019 11:06 pm

For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)

Don't forget the FCC, bought and paid for. Net Neutrality passed, yet spending on network improvements, which were "stifled" by opressive government, *dropped* once the regulations were lifted. Oh, and the layoffs!

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

No 8 year's of Obama Increased national debt more than all president's combined.

You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

You watch we're definitely getting a wall.

During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
#nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)

I got a decent raise imediatly after and as a result of the tax cuts.

Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
The Democrats are willing to work with Trump on border security, They're just not willing to waste money on a useless monument to his narcissim.

Walls work.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here via boat or air. Many came here through official ports. Criminal elements won't be stopped by a wall, because criminals have money. Pay attention to the El Chapo trial, he didn't sling drugs across a wall-less border, he brought them in on submarine-like boats, or via air freight. Human Trafficking isn't much different.

If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Mon Jan 28 2019 04:15 pm

You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are
far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost
less.

You watch we're definitely getting a wall.

Walls work.

To quote your God-Emperor:
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

No 8 year's of Obama Increased national debt more than all president's combined.

You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

You watch we're definitely getting a wall.

During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
#nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year

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do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of

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which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give

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some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored

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and didn't say a word)

I got a decent raise imediatly after and as a result of the tax cuts.

I agree!! I got more money, a bonus and a paid trip for the Wife and I to Hawaii.




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Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.

We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't
buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

IMHO, what might make it go to crap "after this point" is the influx of left-leaning new Democrats in Congress. They seem less interested in job creation and more interested in getting us all on the dole.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Tue Jan 29 2019 07:54 pm

So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against him.

IMHO, what might make it go to crap "after this point" is the influx of left-leaning new Democrats in Congress. They seem less interested in job creation and more interested in getting us all on the dole.

That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

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So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't >DW> buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it >DW> stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's
not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want
to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against
him.

So, wait, the GW Bush economy started turning South before he hit 2 years (really, before he took office, but that is another story, another time).
So, that was Bill Clinton's fault?

That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant
upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

I don't know who Alex Jones is. I can guarantee you that every Democrat I
am related to is a socialist, though. I have at least two "friends" from
my high school years that I cannot talk politics with because they are socialists and want that... and are also Democrats. I am also pretty sure that one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform.
IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has Bernie at some point or another. If that won't get you dependent on the government nothing will.

Find me a Democrat frontrunner for 2020 that hasn't made that part of their platform and I will point out a frontrunner that won't win the primaries.

The only Democrats I know around here that DON'T want that DON'T vote for Democrats for President.

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That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

I don't know who Alex Jones is. I can guarantee you that every Democrat I
am related to is a socialist, though. I have at least two "friends" from
my high school years that I cannot talk politics with because they are socialists and want that... and are also Democrats. I am also pretty sure that one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform.
IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has Bernie at some point or another. If that won't get you dependent on the government nothing will.

Gavin Newsom wants state run healthcare for all including Illegal aliens and yes Kamala wants National healthcare for all.
how the F do these idiot's get elected ? California is already near bankrupt because of Government pensions and the failed high speed rail and other fiscally irresponsible projects now they want to add free school free healthcare etc...
NOTHING is free! it will be an even bigger tax burden on the upper and middle class.

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Gavin Newsom wants state run healthcare for all including Illegal aliens and >yes Kamala wants National healthcare for all.
how the F do these idiot's get elected ? California is already near bankrupt >because of Government pensions and the failed high speed rail and other >fiscally irresponsible projects now they want to add free school free >healthcare etc...
NOTHING is free! it will be an even bigger tax burden on the upper and middle >class.

I also live in a state that has financial issues (not as bad as Illinois
did a year or two ago, but not good). With the exception of about 10
years, it has been lead by Democrats since 1900. Our government
pension issue has made national news. 16 years between 2 democrat
governors, along with 4 of a basically do-nothing republican sandwiched between, and it went from being completely solvent and self-sufficient to
being horribly underfunded. Democrat #1 figured out he could dip his hands
in it, and the other two continued to do so. They handed money out for
things like building an Obamacare website we didn't need (we could have
done like other states and used the national one) and other stupid handouts
to their cronies and donors, while not funding their obligation to the pension fund at all.

Having a horribly funded pension does not just hurt state employees. It kills the state's bond ratings, which affects all other areas of
government and their ability to get lines of credit. But the fisically-irresponsible democrats (and, let's face it, many local republicans, too) cannot figure that out -- or don't care.

Now we have a republican that is actually trying to do something about it,
and the teacher's union (a big time donor to the other side that benefited
from some unguaranteed pension benefits that no one else got) threw a fit.
It is in horrible condition but no one wants it fixed because they will
lose their little piece of the ill-gotten gains handed out by the previous Democratic governors.

He does not help matters because he, like Trump, has diarhea (sp?) of the
mouth and likely won't be re-elected. So, we will have four years of the pension fund either not being raided, or actually being funded, and we will
go back to the party that will pay lip-service to fixing it while dipping
their hands back in it to give it out to those that did not earn it.

The only way the Deomcrats don't win is if they somehow nominate someone totally incompetent of campaigning (what happened the last two times,
including once that they should have been shoe-ins and took that for
granted... Hillary could have learned from that one) or someone that has an even more-objectionable mouth than the current governor.

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one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer
government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has

Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Feb 09 2019 12:05 pm

one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer
government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has

Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Feb 09 2019 12:05 pm

single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part

Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)

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single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part

Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)

Sometimes government is a religion to some people, but that is
subjective. I'll talk more about religion later tonight.

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single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part

Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)

No, somehow a religion discussion devolved into a political one. Sorry for
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 02:03 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:03 pm

Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!

Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)

If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area c

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Sat Oct 26 2019 02:02:00

My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

YOU sir are CORRECT! :)

There is a reason why we only have 1 mouth and 2 ears and eyes. It's so we can TAKE IN more information than we spew out.

If everyone would talk less and listen/observe more then they would discover that virtually all of the big religious 'differences' are not differences at all. Everything is a matter of symantics. People using different words to mean the same thing and getting bent out of shape over it.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Lupine Furmen to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 2019 03:22 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Sat Oct 26 2019 02:02:00

My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

YOU sir are CORRECT! :)

There is a reason why we only have 1 mouth and 2 ears and eyes. It's so we c TAKE IN more information than we spew out.

If everyone would talk less and listen/observe more then they would discover that virtually all of the big religious 'differences' are not differences at all. Everything is a matter of symantics. People using different words to me the same thing and getting bent out of shape over it.
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I was raised a Luthern. The main difference between the various Luthern
synods is they can't agree on the recipe for potato salad.

Even then it cooks down into two camps - Happy Lutherns and Dark Lutherns. Happy Lutherns smile and see everything as a blessing from Heaven. Dark Lutherns believe if you smile too much, God will think you have too much idle time, and give you more bad things to worry about.

Happy Lutherns view the act of canning fruits as a means of putting away a
bit of sunshine for a later day. Dark Lutherns believe you can't have enough fresh fruit all at once, so you must stuff it in a bottle, then store it in a dark cellar until a later time.


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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:31 pm

If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this are
created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help

As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your religion...

I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Cathol
old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 24 2019 02:13 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

I don't consider myself intensely religious, but even as we discover more ab

There's also a conspiracy theory that some people believe the universe we li

Nightfox

When the Matrix first came out, there was alot of conversation about aspects
of the film that resembled religious concepts. The same can be said about
the how the force was introduced in Star Wars A New Hope.

In both series, the protagonist lived his life is a daze, as if sleepwalking until the moment when they comitted themselves by blindly taking the leap
into accepting there was something beyond their perception and understanding
of reality. Several faiths have a concept of waking up from a dream or no longer walk around being blind to what else is out there.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as people of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as peopl of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge having faith.

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are

Nightfox

I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we
see is all there is, or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are

I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There a many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as pe of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we see is all there is,

I think there's actually some truth to that idea. For instance, we only see a fraction of the total electromagnetic spectrum.. We don't see radio waves, for example. And we don't see things as small as atoms, but we know atoms exist. By "observable", I was thinking things that we may eventually need to build tools to observe if we can't observe it directly.

or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.

In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

:/

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.

Anyway, how do you observe God? What do you look for?

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are

I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if y

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I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but
guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a
historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited
understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have
an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the

historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited

This is where I believe is the root of it. Before Science were no explanations for mans curiousity. Then the God stuff explained them and now we have 100 variations of religion and worshiping the Gods. You get to pick and chose which one you like and follow. And that makes in the right one. Then someone else tells you OH no your wrong. Our religion is the only true religion. Yikes!

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I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles
too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

Crows? Monkeys? Dogs? Octopii? Pigs? Rabbits? Owls? Because all of thse are FAR more observant than humans.

Cats too, but Cats just don't give a fuck.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it becaus they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle
unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
type stuff that has no way to go back and prove. Is life too short? Is the concept of an afterlife comforting opposed to the notion you have finite time to be who you are, and that's all you get?

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to metalhead on Wed Nov 27 2019 09:22 pm

How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

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How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some
people could call it a miracle.

Heck, we call things miracles all the time, that are obviously
*NOT* miracles.

Best example I can think of is the "Miracle on Ice" which of
course is simply a hockey game won by the USA over the Soviets in
the 1980 Olympics. Certainly not expected, but by no means a
"miracle". :-)



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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:21 am

How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

There's a lot of unexplainable stuff in our world. That doesn't mean it's a miricle from God. And what's up with this afterlife stuff? Ask 100 people what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God can take your pain away. Well that hasn't happened yet so I'm not banking on it at this point in my life. That would be like banking on Santa Clause showing up at my house Christmas Eve. ;-)



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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are

I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you ha to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.

my beliefs give me strength. they give me an advantage over people who lack that strength. i dont care if i have an afterlife or not. you should make the most of what time you have right now. and it IS a test. it's a test that rewards on the spot. adversity breeds character. sacrifice is rewarded.

whether it's god or the universe or some alien dude, it just does.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 08:32 am

Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? Ther many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.

i just did explain.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 10:30 am

or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outs the realms of our reality created us that way.

I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.

i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 04:48 pm

I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.

who?
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limit
understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.

i dont think that's the way most people that 'believe' feel. your hypothesis just seems like someone on the outside looking in.

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 10:53 am

what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God

your pain wont be gone. your pain will dwarf what you will experience
because you are a non believer.

you are going to be sodomized by pineapples.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessarily mean we're accountable to the creator?

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:55 pm

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?

Yes, he killed an underserving, heathen population and chose who was to
survive by appearing to Noah in the form of a burning bush. The others
laughed at Noah and mocked God's demands.

Interesting note is the story of a great flood also exists in other primitve texts of people of different faiths origins. I read that the epic of
Gilgamesh contains a story where the hero meets an acient that tells a story o f a great flood.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:30 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.

everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?

it depends on the creator's mood
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 08:47 pm

Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that
necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?

it depends on the creator's mood

Exactly. I'm not interested in worshiping a God with Bipolar disorder and floods the world cause he/she gets in a bad mood. However whatever happened it scared the shit out of people and changed their behaviors so I guess some good came out of it. Even if the whole thing was a myth.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:30 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.

everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar

Nightfox

If you look at the old testament of the bible or texts of early faiths,
worship is demanded as a form of giving thanks, and an avenue to receiving a place in the afterlife.

Non-believers and worshippers of false idols were somehow destroyed or killed
off by plagues, weather, burnt as in the story of Sodom and Gemmorah, or
even slain by angels during passover.

In religion of a generic nature, the gods are regarded as being jealous, and needy of worship to exist. They demand obedience to the rules they establish for man to follow. As mentioned in another thread, in the origin fo faiths,
I think some rules were created by man and attributed to coming from superior beings as a way to ensure they are not broken or treated seriously if broken.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

Nightfox

That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who doesn't LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P

Watching people like Mr. Ham who seem to always go into debates with chips on their shoulders and then procede to "debate" past the other party instead of with them only ever seems to drive both sides further into their trenches.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science.

I don't see why they can't coexist. Science just shows how the world/universe works, and if you're a believer, it shows the detail of God's design.

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:19 am

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding tha can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

Havens BBS

i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch.
but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argum about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical

bill nye? you mean that idiot failed comedian/jogger who goes on tv and pretends to be a scientist?
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who does LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P

i dont love bill nye. dude is a lunatic.
he pretend married a lady because he had bad credit just for a house.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch. but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.

How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can validate what you had for lunch but I'm sure they could prove one way or another whether some guy built a big boat, gathered two of every animal, bird, lizard and whatever else. Then keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh yea ... this is where miracles come in. How convienent for all the religions. Whenever something can't be explained it becomes a miracle. The whole thing insults my intelligence. You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to MRO on Mon Dec 23 2019 01:13 pm

Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunc but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof th i didnt eat anything.

How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can va n keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh
You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

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Validated by Science?
What does that mean.

Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.


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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Zombie Mambo to HusTler on Mon Dec 30 2019 13:20:12

Validated by Science?
What does that mean.

Validation by the scientific method.

Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

What you're thinking of as 'science', the same as the 'scientific method', above, is not. You're thinking of 'theoretical science', which oftentimes ends up as pure mathematical masturbation, as equivalent to proven science. The two are very different. It's not an uncommon mistake, either.

I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.

Probably a good thing. I mean I don't doubt that we've got a lot of postulated experimental results dead on, but probably for the wrong reasons, and the farther you get from anything we've properly modeled in a laboratory, the more math has just built on math that has no empirical evidence behind it. Thus it gets to be a hell of a lot farther from reality if anybody missed a sign or something in an equation. ;) Or even if they just didn't get the abstraction dead on or the constant rounded to the right place...
It's a shame that so many people judge science on the merits of theoretical science, though. The media and educational system should really make more distinctions a lot more obvious.

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