• Synchronet?

    From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to All on Saturday, August 03, 2019 14:51:07
    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone has seen the NY Buffalo IT company called Synchronet right? synchronet.net I thought there were laws or something? Domain rights?? I'm no attorney but it pisses me off whenever I search Synchronet this company shows up. Anyone know anything about this stuff?

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to HusTler on Saturday, August 03, 2019 15:55:14
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to All on Sat Aug 03 2019 14:51:07

    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone has seen the NY Buffalo IT company called Synchronet right? synchronet.net I thought there were laws or something? Domain rights?? I'm no attorney but it pisses me off whenever I search Synchronet this company shows up. Anyone know anything about this stuff?

    This sort of thing happens from time to time. One or both parties using the name would have to take
    issue with the other, and enact some sort of legal challenge. I can't imagine that DM is going to do
    that, and I doubt if the other guys are worried that they're losing business because people are starting
    up a BBS instead of using their products/services.

    How big of a problem the sharing of a name is depends on how confusing it is to the public (consumers).
    Here's an article I just skimmed on the topic:

    https://www.upcounsel.com/likelihood-of-confusion-factors

    "Relatedness of the Products" is probably paramount here. However, there have been big disputes between
    companies with (at the time) very unrelated businesses:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

    Closer to your question (an open source project vs. some company), here's a story about how such a
    dispute spiralled into big problems a few years ago:

    https://tinyurl.com/yxatjbum

    Another story about name confusion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft

    Anyway, I don't think some company is going to change their name if we ask them politely, and apart from
    some cluttering of search results it doesn't seem like much of a problem.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Saturday, August 03, 2019 14:45:07
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: echicken to HusTler on Sat Aug 03 2019 03:55 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to All on Sat Aug 03 2019 14:51:07

    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone
    has seen the NY Buffalo IT company called Synchronet right? synchronet.net I thought there were laws or something? Domain rights??
    I'm no attorney but it pisses me off whenever I search Synchronet this company shows up. Anyone know anything about this stuff?

    This sort of thing happens from time to time. One or both parties using the name would have to take issue with the other, and enact some
    sort of legal challenge. I can't imagine that DM is going to do that, and I doubt if the other guys are worried that they're losing
    business because people are starting up a BBS instead of using their products/services.

    How big of a problem the sharing of a name is depends on how confusing it is to the public (consumers). Here's an article I just skimmed
    on
    the topic:

    https://www.upcounsel.com/likelihood-of-confusion-factors

    "Relatedness of the Products" is probably paramount here. However, there have been big disputes between companies with (at the time)
    very
    unrelated businesses:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

    Closer to your question (an open source project vs. some company), here's a story about how such a dispute spiralled into big problems a
    few
    years ago:

    https://tinyurl.com/yxatjbum

    Another story about name confusion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft

    Anyway, I don't think some company is going to change their name if we ask them politely, and apart from some cluttering of search
    results
    it doesn't seem like much of a problem.

    what about apple records vs. apple computers? a real court case based on copyright infringement.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Saturday, August 03, 2019 17:54:45
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sat Aug 03 2019 14:45:07

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

    what about apple records vs. apple computers? a real court case based on copyright infringement.

    Yes, what about that famous example I linked to in the message you're replying to.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to echicken on Saturday, August 03, 2019 18:07:35
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: echicken to HusTler on Sat Aug 03 2019 03:55 pm

    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone has

    This sort of thing happens from time to time. One or both parties using the name would have to take

    How big of a problem the sharing of a name is depends on how confusing it is to the public (consumers).
    Here's an article I just skimmed on the topic:

    Another story about name confusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft

    Thanks for the links. I think I'll just send them an email and give them my opinion without all the legal mumbo jumbo. At the very least it's disrespecful to use a pre-exisiting name. Years ago I tried to register a business name for tax purposes and because it was similar to an existing business I was asked not to use it. I have no idea what the "rules" are on the world wide web. Thanks for your reply.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to HusTler on Saturday, August 03, 2019 19:39:25
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to echicken on Sat Aug 03 2019 18:07:35

    Thanks for the links. I think I'll just send them an email and give them my opinion without all the legal mumbo jumbo. At the very least it's

    How embarrassing that would be for all of us. Maybe you should leave actions like that up to DM?

    disrespecful to use a pre-exisiting name. Years ago I tried to register a

    The one in Buffalo is just one of many Synchronets. They were founded in 1998. It's entirely possible
    that at the time, they could not as quickly or easily find out that "Synchronet" was in use elsewhere or
    belonged to a (by then defunct?) company in California. Even if they knew it was the name of a BBS
    package, they might have felt it sufficiently different from their area of business that there should be
    no confusion.

    Next up you've got SynchroNet of synchronet.com, and I guarantee you that they don't give a shit about
    some open source BBS package already having the name. Or they might care enough to tell *us* to stop
    using it.

    Of course there's also http://synchronet.co/, purveyors of fine shipping container solutions.

    Or this networking company: http://www.synchronet.org/

    Or this supply chain thing: https://www.synchronet.eu/

    I wonder if all of these groups are mad at each other for poaching the name.

    business name for tax purposes and because it was similar to an existing business I was asked not to use it. I have no idea what the "rules" are on the world wide web. Thanks for your reply.

    The web and the internet at large are not a wild west, and activities there are generally subject to the
    same rules as anywhere else.

    Consider if your attempt to use that name hadn't been rejected, you'd had letterhead, business cards,
    signage printed up, bought a domain, built up some recognition, and maybe been in business for 20+ years.
    Then some guy comes along and tells you that you should change your company name because it overlaps
    with something in their esoteric hobby. Your reaction would be, what, "Okay, no problem, I'll change my
    company's name"?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Saturday, August 03, 2019 17:30:55
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to All on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:51 pm

    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone has seen the NY Buffalo IT company called Synchronet right? synchronet.net I thought there were laws or something? Domain rights?? I'm no attorney but it pisses me off whenever I search Synchronet this company shows up. Anyone know anything about this stuff?

    Most of the time, I've searched for "Synchronet BBS software" or similar, and my searches have always led me to the Synchronet BBS software. So it hasn't really bothered me, and actually I hadn't noticed this Synchronet IT company. But it seems like Apple records vs. Apple computer company (which also hosts music now too). I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure how it all works, or if Rob Swindell has ever registered the name Synchronet or anything.

    Also, before Apple made their iPhone, I heard Cisco had a network-enabled phone product they called the iPhone.. I think Apple negotiated a deal with them to use the name iPhone for their (Apple's) phone.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to e on Saturday, August 03, 2019 17:32:34
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:45 pm

    what about apple records vs. apple computers? a real court case based on copyright infringement.

    I don't think Apple (computer company) infringed on any copyrights. They just have a similar name, and now that Apple (computer company) also hosts music, it could be confusing to consumers, which I think is the real issue.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Saturday, August 03, 2019 18:25:33
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to e on Sat Aug 03 2019 05:32 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:45 pm

    what about apple records vs. apple computers? a real court case based on copyright infringement.

    I don't think Apple (computer company) infringed on any copyrights. They just have a similar name, and now that Apple (computer company)
    also hosts music, it could be confusing to consumers, which I think is the real issue.

    Nightfox

    well they settled by licensing their beatles catalogue as a way to try to make amends. Apple jumped at the idea and came on board.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 00:14:31
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Aug 03 2019 05:30 pm

    Also, before Apple made their iPhone, I heard Cisco had a network-enabled phone product they called the iPhone.. I think Apple negotiated a deal with them to use the name iPhone for their (Apple's) phone.

    Cisco definitely had an operating system called IOS before Apple's iOS. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 04, 2019 04:20:40
    Cisco definitely had an operating system called IOS before Apple's iOS. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

    Could be, but there was no lawsuit. There was a financial agreement reached between Cisco and Apple when Apple approached Cisco about licensing the name.

    Funny enough, Cisco also owned the rights to the name iPhone. Linksys
    produced the WIP-300 which was a cordless SIP phone that was called the
    Linksys Iphone. Cisco picked up the rights when they purchased Linksys.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 04, 2019 03:25:28
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:14 am

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Aug 03 2019 05:30 pm

    Also, before Apple made their iPhone, I heard Cisco had a network-enabled phone product they called the iPhone.. I think Apple
    negotiated a deal with them to use the name iPhone for their (Apple's) phone.

    Cisco definitely had an operating system called IOS before Apple's iOS. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

    digital man

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    How much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black. Norco, CA WX: 71.5øF, 64.0% humidity, 0 mph SSW wind, 0.00
    inches rain/24hrs

    that's what i use on the ipad, IOS. it's 12.4 at the moment with 13 coming out in the fall sometime.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Sunday, August 04, 2019 14:55:04
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to All on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:51 pm


    Question? How is it possible the name "Synchronet" can be used by others? There's no trademark or copy right infringments? Everyone has seen the NY Buffalo IT company called Synchronet right? synchronet.net I thought there were laws or something? Domain rights?? I'm no attorney but it pisses me off whenever I search Synchronet this company shows up. Anyone know anything about this stuff?



    there's different types of copyrights. there's (r) (tm), etc

    usually someone can use the same name if it's an unrelated industry.
    my company has some products that have the same names as other things.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Sunday, August 04, 2019 15:05:13
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: HusTler to echicken on Sat Aug 03 2019 06:07 pm

    Thanks for the links. I think I'll just send them an email and give them my opinion without all the legal mumbo jumbo. At the very least it's disrespecful to use a pre-exisiting name. Years ago I tried to register a business name for tax purposes and because it was similar to an existing business I was asked not to use it. I have no idea what the "rules" are on the world wide web. Thanks for your reply.


    no, just please stay out of it.

    it's not your software and it's just going to create problems.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sunday, August 04, 2019 17:07:26
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:14 am

    Also, before Apple made their iPhone, I heard Cisco had a
    network-enabled phone product they called the iPhone.. I think Apple
    negotiated a deal with them to use the name iPhone for their (Apple's)
    phone.

    Cisco definitely had an operating system called IOS before Apple's iOS. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

    I definitely remember hearing about the Cisco iPhone. This is an article on that:
    https://bit.ly/2GIy93p
    Full link: https://www.networkworld.com/article/2855570/remember-when-cisco-sued-apple-ove r-the-iphone-name.html

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 04, 2019 17:21:16
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 04 2019 03:25 am

    that's what i use on the ipad, IOS.

    Really, iOS on an iPad? ;)
    I think iOS is the only OS you can use on an iPad.. though I suppose it may be possible to install Linux or something on a jailbroken iPad.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 04, 2019 17:26:00
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 04 2019 02:55 pm

    there's different types of copyrights. there's (r) (tm), etc

    (tm) is for a trademark, which I'm pretty sure is different than a copyright (if perhaps only slightly).

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 18:11:48
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:21 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 04 2019 03:25 am

    that's what i use on the ipad, IOS.

    Really, iOS on an iPad? ;)
    I think iOS is the only OS you can use on an iPad.. though I suppose it may be possible to install Linux or something on a jailbroken
    iPad.

    Nightfox

    i would try it but dont know much on that area.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sunday, August 04, 2019 21:27:29
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 04 2019 03:05 pm

    Thanks for the links. I think I'll just send them an email and give them my opinion without all the legal mumbo jumbo. At the very least it's
    no, just please stay out of it.

    it's not your software and it's just going to create problems.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 19:42:26
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:07 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:14 am

    Also, before Apple made their iPhone, I heard Cisco had a
    network-enabled phone product they called the iPhone.. I think Apple
    negotiated a deal with them to use the name iPhone for their (Apple's)
    phone.

    Cisco definitely had an operating system called IOS before Apple's iOS. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

    I definitely remember hearing about the Cisco iPhone. This is an article on that:
    https://bit.ly/2GIy93p
    Full link: https://www.networkworld.com/article/2855570/remember-when-cisco- sued-apple-ove r-the-iphone-name.html

    Oh wow, an IPhone and an IOS! Wow.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 19:51:20
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:26 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 04 2019 02:55 pm

    there's different types of copyrights. there's (r) (tm), etc

    (tm) is for a trademark, which I'm pretty sure is different than a copyright (if perhaps only slightly).

    You Trade Mark a name.
    You Copyright a piece of copyable work.
    You Patent an invention/idea.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #81:
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 21:51:51
    Re: Synchronet?
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:26 pm

    Re: Synchronet?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Aug 04 2019 02:55 pm

    there's different types of copyrights. there's (r) (tm), etc

    (tm) is for a trademark, which I'm pretty sure is different than a copyright (if perhaps only slightly).



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to NIGHTFOX on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 16:10:00
    I definitely remember hearing about the Cisco iPhone. This is an article on N>that:

    The CISCO phone I have is used with a party line setup for amateur
    radio operators called "HamShack Hotline". The service is free, but you
    have to purchase, and "provision" the phone.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Ray Quinn@VERT/US99 to Daryl Stout on Sunday, October 13, 2019 18:54:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

    The CISCO phone I have is used with a party line setup for amateur
    radio operators called "HamShack Hotline". The service is free, but you have to purchase, and "provision" the phone.


    Daryl,
    My condolences on losing your mother.

    Just a quick note on HamShack Hotline, I have only used once or twice to
    talk to a "local" ham on his mobile phone while he traveled home to Bakersfield. I rarely talk on the phone, except for work and family. I have
    a CISCO IP PHONE 303 provisioned with three different services. HamShack Hotline is line 1, The second "line" is onethat the boss pays for as
    part of the cloud-based phone service he requested several years ago (cut costs from over $500 monthly to about $700 yearly). The third is another
    one through SIP.US.

    My HamShack Hotline number is 4655. Phone it up and leave a message, if you like. I've haven't been able to spend much time with any hobbies due to
    work.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to RAY QUINN on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 17:04:00
    Ray,

    My condolences on losing your mother.

    Thanks...she has been gone 2 months now, and I'm still tying up loose
    ends.

    My HamShack Hotline number is 4655. Phone it up and leave a message, if you RQ>like. I've haven't been able to spend much time with any hobbies due to RQ>work.

    Mine is 4848. Lately, with the stormy weather (change of seasons), and because I do traffic nets in the evenings, I've had the DND (Do Not
    Disturb) activated. But, I've had to relegate my hobbies to the weekends
    and evenings, due to other things during the day. On the BBS, I'm only
    doing QWK Mail, and little else.

    Daryl, WX4QZ


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Ray Quinn on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 19:23:00
    On 10-13-19 18:54, Ray Quinn wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    Just a quick note on HamShack Hotline, I have only used once or twice
    to talk to a "local" ham on his mobile phone while he traveled home to Bakersfield. I rarely talk on the phone, except for work and family. I have a CISCO IP PHONE 303 provisioned with three different services. HamShack Hotline is line 1, The second "line" is onethat the boss pays
    for as part of the cloud-based phone service he requested several years ago (cut costs from over $500 monthly to about $700 yearly). The third
    is another one through SIP.US.

    I have HH as well. I am using our main router's minbuilt PBX on the HHX server, so I can make calls to both HH and standard phones from the same handset.

    My HamShack Hotline number is 4655. Phone it up and leave a message, if you like. I've haven't been able to spend much time with any hobbies
    due to work.

    I haven't really use my HH HH phone yet, but last check showed it all working, and I have tested with some of the conference servers.


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