Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please? Thanks.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Jan 12 2020 07:17 pm

Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please?

There isn't a "Synchronet Control Panel" for Linux. The closest thing would be the gtkmonitor project - and yes, it looks different than the Synchronet Control Panel (which is only designed/built for Windows).

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The wrote:

Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows
or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please? Thanks.

Windows are for people who can't remember command lines :)

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The wrote:

Windows are for people who can't remember command lines :)

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But you can use command lines in the command prompt window. :-P

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Jan 12 2020 19:17:24

Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please?

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same thing...

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Marisag to The Millionaire on Mon Jan 13 2020 05:28 pm

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same thing...

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Marisag on Mon Jan 13 2020 18:46:55

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows
version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same
thing...

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)


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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Marisag on Mon Jan 13 2020 18:46:55

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows
version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same
thing...

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)

umonitor works just fine.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Jan 14 2020 06:12 am

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)

Which would be umonitor?

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Rampage wrote to Nightfox <=-

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows
version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same
thing...

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a
server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine?
;)

Like..... /sbbs/exec/umonitor :-)



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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Grease to Rampage on Tue Jan 14 2020 11:22 am

Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Jan 14 2020 06:12 am

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)

Which would be umonitor?

http://wiki.synchro.net/monitor:umonitor

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Grease on Tue Jan 14 2020 09:48 am

Which would be umonitor?

http://wiki.synchro.net/monitor:umonitor

Sorry, was a rhetorical statement. Was not asking what actually
was umonitor.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Jan 14 2020 06:12 am

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long
time..

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)

I figured that might be why, though I was curious to see if Marisa's was an ASCII-based monitor.

I have Linux on my 'server' machine (which runs Plex and a VM for my BBS), though I opted to have a GUI on it.. I installed Linux Mint with the Xfce GUI, which is a lightweight GUI - I know it adds more overhead, but the machine works fine and it has plenty of RAM for what I use it for.

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Hello Millionaire,

Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows
or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please? Thanks.

Not that I am aware of. The only CP that I am aware of is the one for the windows version of Synchronet.

Would be nice to have a CP for us Linux users.

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Jeff Smith wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Does the Synchronet Control Panel look the same in Linux as it does in Windows
or is it designed differently? Can someone post a screenshot please? Thanks.

Not that I am aware of. The only CP that I am aware of is the one
for the windows version of Synchronet.

Would be nice to have a CP for us Linux users.

Try /sbbs/exec/umonitor



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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Jeff Smith to The Millionaire on Tue Jan 14 2020 01:20 pm

Not that I am aware of. The only CP that I am aware of is the one for the windows version of Synchronet.

For Linux, there's GTKMonitor..

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Marisag on Mon Jan 13 2020 18:46:55

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

Yes, but requires a X connection to the BBS's server, and X on that server as well. My control panel is purely text based and works fine over a ssh connection to a non-GUI hosted server...

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Marisag on Mon Jan 13 2020 18:46:55

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows
version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same
thing...

Why not use gtkmonitor? gtkmonitor has been around for a long time..

probably because that requires a GUI... why require a GUI on a server when an ASCII-based monitor package would work just fine? ;)

umonitor can be fine too in a screen session.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Grease to Rampage on Tue Jan 14 2020 11:22 am

http://wiki.synchro.net/monitor:umonitor

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It looks kinda similar to the dos based bbses wfc screen from the olden days. Very basically designed.

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It looks kinda similar to the dos based bbses wfc screen from the olden days. Very basically designed.

Linux uses a DOS based kinda system anyways, so that would be about right I guess.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Jan 26 2020 08:07 pm

Linux uses a DOS based kinda system anyways, so that would be about right I guess.

I'm not sure what you mean by "DOS based kinda system".. And Linux is significantly different behind the scenes than DOS. You couldn't just take a DOS program and run it on Linux - You'd need DOSEmu or some other emulator.

I've heard of people getting Synchronet to work on Raspberry Pi systems, but it would require rebuilding Synchronet on it. And from what I've heard, I don't think you'd be able to run DOS doors on it.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Jan 26 2020 20:07:38

Linux uses a DOS based kinda system anyways, so that would be about right I
guess.

No.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jan 27 2020 11:36 am

I've heard of people getting Synchronet to work on Raspberry Pi systems, but it would require rebuilding Synchronet on it. And from what I've heard, I don't think you'd be able to run DOS doors on it.

I have made a raspian iso with Synchronet 3.17 and Mystic pre installed.
and I believe there is a DOS emulator for the raspberry PI so it might be able to run DOS doors, I havent tried that, it does have the synchronet DOORs though.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Denn to Nightfox on Mon Jan 27 2020 11:38 pm

I have made a raspian iso with Synchronet 3.17 and Mystic pre installed. and I believe there is a DOS emulator for the raspberry PI so it might be able to run DOS doors, I havent tried that, it does have the synchronet DOORs though.

I seem to remember hearing from others that there are problems running DOS doors on Raspberry Pi systems. The main issue is that it has to not only emulate DOS, but it also has to emulate an x86 processor. When the system already has an x86 processor, it's easier to do.

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I seem to remember hearing from others that there are problems
running DOS doors on Raspberry Pi systems. The main issue is
that it has to not only emulate DOS, but it also has to emulate
an x86 processor. When the system already has an x86 processor,
it's easier to do.

I did run some old BBS soft in Dosbox on a Pi without any problems (biggest problem was to remember the DOS commands and configuring dosbox). It was just a
brief test though and I have no idea how to setup a door in a dosbox executed within a unix bbs. x86 emulation on an ARM cpu doesn't seem to be a problem and
should be fast enough for most BBS doors.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Oli to Nightfox on Tue Jan 28 2020 08:47 pm

I seem to remember hearing from others that there are problems
running DOS doors on Raspberry Pi systems. The main issue is
that it has to not only emulate DOS, but it also has to emulate
an x86 processor. When the system already has an x86 processor,
it's easier to do.

I did run some old BBS soft in Dosbox on a Pi without any problems (biggest problem was to remember the DOS commands and configuring dosbox). It was just a brief test though and I have no idea how to setup a door in a dosbox executed within a unix bbs. x86 emulation on an ARM cpu doesn't seem to be a problem and should be fast enough for most BBS doors.

dosbox has known issues with multi-node/user doors (doesn't support DOS share.exe-type file/record locking). I don't think those issues have been addressed. That said, some single-node/user doors may run okay so long as the ownership of the virtual COM/UART can be passed between DOS programs within a single instance of dosbox. These are all big unknowns (for me).

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I'm not sure what you mean by "DOS based kinda system".. And Linux is signific
ntly different behind the scenes than DOS. You couldn't just take a DOS progra
and run it on Linux - You'd need DOSEmu or some other emulator.

Maybe he means that you can have a cli driven system, like DOS was, without
an X window system. You cannot really do that with Windows any more.


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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jan 28 2020 06:16 pm

Maybe he means that you can have a cli driven system, like DOS was, without an X window system. You cannot really do that with Windows any more.

I've seen server versions of Windows that don't have a GUI.. At least, not much of a GUI - I've seen ones that basically just let you open command prompt windows.

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On 01-28-20 20:47, Oli wrote to Nightfox <=-

I did run some old BBS soft in Dosbox on a Pi without any problems (biggest problem was to remember the DOS commands and configuring
dosbox). It was just a brief test though and I have no idea how to
setup a door in a dosbox executed within a unix bbs. x86 emulation on
an ARM cpu doesn't seem to be a problem and should be fast enough for
most BBS doors.

The only issue with DOSBox is it doesn't handle file locking, so only one user can run the door at the same time. :(


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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jan 28 2020 06:16 pm

I'm not sure what you mean by "DOS based kinda system".. And Linux is signific
ntly different behind the scenes than DOS. You couldn't just take a DOS progra
and run it on Linux - You'd need DOSEmu or some other emulator.

Maybe he means that you can have a cli driven system, like DOS was, without an X window system. You cannot really do that with Windows any more.

Actually, I think you can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Core

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Denn to Nightfox on Mon Jan 27 2020 23:38:32

I have made a raspian iso with Synchronet 3.17 and Mystic pre installed. and I believe there is a DOS emulator for the raspberry PI so it might be able to run DOS doors, I havent tried
that, it does have the synchronet DOORs though.

You should be able to make either QEMU or DOSBOX work, though you won't be able to have any DOS doors in multi-user mode, it just won't work with either QEMU or DOSBOX (I guess you could use qemu if you did a network share on the pi, and then had each respective dos instance connect to that)... both are complex setups.

Alternatively, you could setup an account for door party, and just defer to the remote service for your door usage.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Tue Jan 28 2020 21:43:45

I've seen server versions of Windows that don't have a GUI.. At least, not much of a GUI - I've seen ones that
basically just let you open command prompt windows.

There is a headless version of windows server that doesn't have a GUI, iirc, it's the basis of the windows containers... of course since windows desktops only support windows or linux containers in docker desktop, I've never actually tried anything other than a linux container for docker engine.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Wed Jan 29 2020 10:59 pm

There is a headless version of windows server that doesn't have a GUI, iirc, it's the basis of the windows containers... of course since windows desktops only support windows or linux containers in docker desktop, I've never actually tried anything other than a linux container for docker engine.

I didn't know Microsoft was using Docker. I knew Windows server versions have some built-in support for running VMs though. A long time ago, I heard Microsoft bought Virtual PC from Connectix, and I thought that's what Microsoft was using for their VM host software in Windows Server.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Wed Jan 29 2020 04:44 pm

I didn't know Microsoft was using Docker. I knew Windows server versions

Yup, you can run docker on a lot of OSes.

On linux, its native, on other OS's, under the covers it's linux on KVM (IIRC).

I develop on a MAC using docker containers.

https://www.docker.com/products/docker-desktop
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There is a headless

version of windows server that
doesn't have a GUI,

iirc, it's the basis of

the windows containers... of
course since

windows desktops only

support windows or linux
containers in docker

desktop, I've never

actually tried anything other
than a linux

container for docker

engine.

I didn't know Microsoft was

using Docker. I knew Windows
server versions

have some built-in support

for running VMs though. A long
time ago, I heard

Microsoft bought Virtual PC

from Connectix, and I thought
that's what

Microsoft was using for

their VM host software in
Windows Server.

They use Hyper-V as their
general hypervisor for
virtualization. Windows server
and Windows pro also can add
support for Windows containers
+ docker. And there's
experimental support for Linux
containers with docker on
Windows that's a more direct
integration with Hyper-V.

Docker desktop for Windows can
do either Linux containers or
Windows containers. It's
actually running under the
Windows hypervisor in a minimal
vm, with some decent
integration. But it's single
user.

There's also Windows subsystem
for Linux 2 which can do a lot.

I use docker desktop at work,
where I'm Windows tethered.

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Yup, you can run docker on a

lot of OSes.

On linux, its native, on

other OS's, under the covers
it's linux on KVM

(IIRC).

I develop on a MAC using

docker containers.


https://www.docker.com/products
/docker-desktop

In Windows it's Hyper-V, in Mac
they have something similar.

Only thing to be aware of is
volume mounts are not direct
and best not to do a database
with a desktop volume, it won't
be pretty. It's actually doing
an fs sync in Mac and Windows
for desktop volumes.


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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Alter Ego on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:11 am

In Windows it's Hyper-V, in Mac
they have something similar.

Nope, Hyper-V is virtual machines, which is not docker containers.

Only thing to be aware of is
volume mounts are not direct
and best not to do a database
with a desktop volume, it won't
be pretty. It's actually doing
an fs sync in Mac and Windows
for desktop volumes.

I develop very heavy database I/O on MAC desktops and it works well. Not fast, I agree, but good enough for development.
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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Alter Ego to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 30 2020 07:18 pm

Nope, Hyper-V is virtual machines, which is not docker containers.

Oh wait, I sit corrected.

Looks like Hyper-V is used instead of KVM - sorry, I didnt see the link until I googled it (being curious)...
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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Jan 26 2020 20:07:38

No.

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Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back in the mid 90's, he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a Linux kernel and built a windows GUI around it which became Linux. He also believed that the OS and its software shall always be free and be based on an open source community similar to Synchronet. By the way Linux was named after his name Linus since he started it all and has boomed over the years in a huge way. A lot of businesses rely on Linux as well.


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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:31:02

Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back in the mid
90's, he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a Linux kernel and built a
windows GUI around it which became Linux. He also believed that the OS and its

I don't think that's very accurate, but if you believe it then it explains your statement that "Linux uses a DOS based kinda system anyways", so okay.

to Synchronet. By the way Linux was named after his name Linus since he started

Wow really I never made that connection before wow that's really a good little factoid there good buddy thanks for sharing it really enlightened me hoo boy what a fun little tidbit I mean seriously wow.

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:07 am

They use Hyper-V as their
general hypervisor for
virtualization. Windows server
and Windows pro also can add
support for Windows containers
+ docker. And there's
experimental support for Linux
containers with docker on
Windows that's a more direct
integration with Hyper-V.

Your message seems to be wrapped to a fairly narrow console width, around 30-something characters..

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:31 am

Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back in the

Torvalds

mid 90's, he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a Linux

It was actually the early 90s, and I heard he wanted to develop something similar to MINIX. I don't think it was due to any frustration with DOS.

kernel and built a windows GUI around it which became Linux. He also

I don't think Linux Torvalds was very involved in creating a GUI for Linux. As far as I know, the first GUI system for Linux was X-Windows, which started at MIT and developed by Jim Gettys and Bob Scheiffer.

You should probably read up on the history of Linux..

believed that the OS and its software shall always be free and be based on an open source community similar to Synchronet. By the way Linux was named after his name Linus since he started it all and has boomed over the years in a huge way. A lot of businesses rely on Linux as well.

I think it's fairly well-known that Linux is named after Linus.

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:31:02

I don't think that's very accurate, but if you believe it then it explains your statement that "Linux uses a DOS based kinda system anyways", so okay.

Wow really I never made that connection before wow that's really a good little factoid there good buddy thanks for sharing it really enlightened me hoo boy what a fun little tidbit I mean seriously wow.

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Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Jan 12 2020 19:17:24

The Linux version doesn't have a control panel like the Windows version, which is why I wrote my own that does largely the same thing...

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Hey Marisa. Could you show me a screenshot?

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 03:38 pm

2 random questions, 2 random answers:

Which came first?

Likely, the Big Bang.

The chicken or the egg?

I usually prefer chicken.


digital man

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Thu Jan 30 2020 15:40:01

Hey Marisa. Could you show me a screenshot?

Here is the sourceforge link where you can see it or download it...

https://sourceforge.net/projects/synchronet-bbs-utilities/

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 03:38 pm

2 random questions, 2 random answers:

Likely, the Big Bang.

I usually prefer chicken.

digital man

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LOL! :-P

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The Millionaire wrote to echicken <=-

Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back
in the mid 90's, he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS
kernel and decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which
became a Linux kernel and built a windows GUI around it which
became Linux. He also believed that the OS and its software shall
always be free and be based on an open source community similar
to Synchronet. By the way Linux was named after his name Linus
since he started it all and has boomed over the years in a huge
way. A lot of businesses rely on Linux as well.

The only accurate statement in that mess is the very last
sentence.



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Your message seems to be

wrapped to a fairly narrow
console width, around

30-something characters..

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 05:17 am

Your message seems to be

wrapped to a fairly narrow
console width, around

30-something characters..

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

ecWeb or the old legacy/runemaster web UI? Whatever it is, its doing something unexpected with line-wrapping.

digital man

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 05:17:57

Your message seems to be
wrapped to a fairly narrow
console width, around
30-something characters..

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

i think the key factor you're leaving out is that you're writing from a mobile device with a narrow screen width...

/me wonders what happens if you rotate your device so that it is in landscape mode instead of portrait mode...


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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Rampage to Tracker1 on Fri Jan 31 2020 07:51 am

Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Jan 31 2020 05:17:57

Your message seems to be
wrapped to a fairly narrow
console width, around
30-something characters..

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

i think the key factor you're leaving out is that you're writing from a mobile device with a narrow screen width...

Ideally, the message should still be created with flowed text (long-line paragraphs).

/me wonders what happens if you rotate your device so that it is in landscape mode instead of portrait mode...

It's not an ideal "fix". Ideally, we can all use different screen dimensions and our messages are all very readable and quotable.

digital man

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:31 am

Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back in the

Linus Torvalds

mid 90's,

Early 90's. 1991 to be precise.

he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and
decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a Linux kernel and built a windows GUI around it which became Linux.

What? this isn't even remotely true. It was based off Minix. Linus has/had
nothing to do with X11 or XFree86/X.Org Quit making shit up.

He also
believed that the OS and its software shall always be free and be based on an open source community similar to Synchronet.

He release it under the GPL after seeing a speech/presentation by Richard Stallman. (Stallman being a giant piece if shit is a discussion for another thread) He had NO plans on Linux being as big as it is today. His first post about it literally said "I'm doing a operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gno) for 386(486) AT clones."

By the way Linux was named
after his name Linus since he started it all and has boomed over the years in a huge way.

Somewhat correct. It was mash of "Linus" and "Minix"

A lot of businesses rely on Linux as well.

indeed. It is literally my job to manage Linux servers.

DaiTengu

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 30 2020 09:51 pm

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

ecWeb or the old legacy/runemaster web UI? Whatever it is, its doing something unexpected with line-wrapping.

The Runemaster interface would do that for me when I used to use it. I think it had something to do with the width of the text box used for message input.

Nightfox

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:32 pm

he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and
decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a
Linux kernel and built a windows GUI around it which became Linux.

What? this isn't even remotely true. It was based off Minix. Linus has/had nothing to do with X11 or XFree86/X.Org Quit making shit up.

Yeahhh... If he could go ahead and stop saying things that are untrue, that would be great..
https://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/9ef6/screens_feature3-1.jpg

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:52 pm

Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 30 2020 09:51 pm

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

ecWeb or the old legacy/runemaster web UI? Whatever it is, its doing something unexpected with line-wrapping.

The Runemaster interface would do that for me when I used to use it. I think it had something to do with the width of the text box used for message input.

I'm pretty sure the old runemaster Web UI uses a fixed 80-column input for message text. I suppose it may be that the entire input box wasn't visible so author of the message hit enter around column 40 to keep all the text visible in his window into the message input box. That's just a theory though.

digital man

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:59 pm

he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and
decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a
Linux kernel and built a windows GUI around it which became Linux.

What? this isn't even remotely true. It was based off Minix. Linus has/had nothing to do with X11 or XFree86/X.Org Quit making shit up.

Yeahhh... If he could go ahead and stop saying things that are untrue, that would be great..

Who invited this guy TM back to the network?

HusTler@ havens.synchro.net

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:59 pm

Who invited this guy TM back to the network?

HusTler@ havens.synchro.net

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Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Thu Jan 30 2020 06:31 am

Yes because when Linus Torvaus(sp?) started developing Linux back in the mid 90's, he didn't like the way Microsoft wrote the DOS kernel and decided to rewrite his own version himself of it which became a Linux

Maybe he was worried about other companies hogging DOS, and then he went on to start an ice cream company.

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 30 2020 21:51:17

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

ecWeb or the old legacy/runemaster web UI? Whatever it is, its doing something unexpected with line-wrapping.

It's the old legacy web ui... I'm using the browser on my phone, not a great experience, but can go through messages watching TV... it's on my personal TODO to re-create the web ui/ux in a more scalable UX.

May get ecWeb running, and see how that does... should be a better experience.

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Mon Feb 03 2020 08:10 am

Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 30 2020 21:51:17

I'm using the stock synchronet
web editor on my phone for some
messages.

ecWeb or the old legacy/runemaster web UI? Whatever it is, its doing something unexpected with line-wrapping.

It's the old legacy web ui... I'm using the browser on my phone, not a great experience, but can go through messages watching TV... it's on my personal TODO to re-create the web ui/ux in a more scalable UX.

May get ecWeb running, and see how that does... should be a better experience.

Yeah, if you can't fit the entire 80x25 edit window in your browser, then ecWeb would be a much better experience. Heck, ecWeb is better for most uses.

digital man

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Mon Feb 03 2020 10:58:37

Yeah, if you can't fit the entire 80x25 edit window in your browser, then ecWeb would be a much better
experience. Heck, ecWeb is better for most uses.

Funny enough, I can't seem to login from my phone using ecweb... not sure how it works... for now, using a desktop with local connection over ssh tunnel.

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 05 2020 04:47 am

Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Mon Feb 03 2020 10:58:37

Yeah, if you can't fit the entire 80x25 edit window in your browser, then ecWeb would be a much better
experience. Heck, ecWeb is better for most uses.

Funny enough, I can't seem to login from my phone using ecweb... not sure how it works... for now, using a desktop with local connection over ssh tunnel.

Which version of ecWeb? Works for me w/ecwebv4 at web.synchro.net. There's a "Log in" option in the upper-right drop-down (hamburger) menu.

digital man

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Re: Re: Synchronet Control Panel
By: Digital Man to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 04 2020 21:41:47

Funny enough, I can't seem to login from my phone using ecweb... not
sure how it works... for now, using a desktop with local connection
over ssh tunnel.

Which version of ecWeb? Works for me w/ecwebv4 at web.synchro.net. There's
a "Log in" option in the upper-right drop-down (hamburger) menu.

Latest from github... tbh, don't really like the UX... after I get the telnet setup working the way I like again, will probably try to replicated the message at a time (newscan) type interface, or a three pane reader resembling email/nntp.

Mainly wanting to try to reuse some of the web services ec wrote if I can.

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Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

<tongue in cheek> Colonel Sanders. <G>

Daryl


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Rob,

The chicken or the egg?

I usually prefer chicken.

Both...nuggets and eggs. Then, let's add things like biscuits, gravy, tomatoes, ham, bacon, sausage, pork chops, etc.

As Janis Kracht notes "Even Sysops have to eat". <G>

Daryl


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Maybe he was worried about other companies hogging DOS, and then he went on t N>start an ice cream company.

Windows Ice Cream: Hoggin' DOS. <G>

Daryl


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Windows Ice Cream: Hoggin' DOS. <G>

Daryl

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Microsluts: Midget Robotic Prostitutes. :-P

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Microsluts: Midget Robotic Prostitutes. :-P

Even they need love, too. <G>

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On 1/30/20 1:18 AM, Alter Ego wrote:

In Windows it's Hyper-V, in Mac
they have something similar.

Nope, Hyper-V is virtual machines, which is not docker containers.

Docker Desktop for Windows does emphatically *USE* Hyper-V, it's a Linux Virtual environment, where the actual containers run... similar for MacOS.

I develop very heavy database I/O on MAC desktops and it works well.

Not fast, I agree, but good enough for development.

Again, using a volume mount to the host OS in mac and windows is
significantly slower, if it performs good enough for you, great.


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On 1/31/20 2:26 PM, Digital Man wrote:

I'm pretty sure the old runemaster Web UI uses a fixed 80-column

input for message text. I suppose it may be that the entire input box
wasn't visible so author of the message hit enter around column 40 to
keep all the text visible in his window into the message input box.
That's just a theory though.

If you use it with a phone, you'll see what I was doing... was
definitely NOT manually word wrapping at 20 something characters.


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