• Microsoft's Linux Kernel

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:34:32
    Why on earth would Microsoft develop a Linux Kernel for?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Saturday, February 01, 2020 15:56:39
    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Saturday, February 01, 2020 16:17:34
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 03:34 pm

    Why on earth would Microsoft develop a Linux Kernel for?

    It might be helpful to provide a link to where you're seeing that - but I did a search online and found some articles. It seems Microsoft has opened up to the idea of open-source software in the past several years. Microsoft even provides versions of Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code (a lighter code editor) for Linux. It seems Microsoft has acknowledged that they were losing the fight to Linux and open-source software, so it's possible they figure they might as well support it (if you can't beat them, join them).

    At the same time, given Microsoft's history and their past behavior, there's a part of me that doesn't quite trust them, and I wonder what they're up to. I'm not sure if their long-term goal is really to just better support Linux or if they'll end up trying to sabotage the open-source community somehow. Years ago, I heard Microsoft was trying to sue over supposed copyright infringements in some open-source code (I think one thing was some use of Microsoft network code in BSD or Linux distros).

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Saturday, February 01, 2020 16:18:52
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 03:56 pm

    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    I doubt a Microsoft Linux kernel will affect BBSes at all. And we have yet to see how it will affect Linux as a whole. Time will tell. That's a question that can't really be answered right now.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, February 01, 2020 19:05:00
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    It won't.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:09:25
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 03:34 pm

    It might be helpful to provide a link to where you're seeing that - but I did a search online and found some articles. It seems Microsoft has opened up to the idea of open-source software in the past several years. Microsoft even provides versions of Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code (a lighter code editor) for Linux. It seems Microsoft has acknowledged that they were losing the fight to Linux and open-source software, so it's possible they figure they might as well support it (if you can't beat them, join them).

    At the same time, given Microsoft's history and their past behavior, there's a part of me that doesn't quite trust them, and I wonder what they're up to. I'm not sure if their long-term goal is really to just better support Linux or if they'll end up trying to sabotage the open-source community somehow. Years ago, I heard Microsoft was trying to sue over supposed copyright infringements in some open-source code (I think one thing was some use of Microsoft network code in BSD or Linux distros).

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    When Microsoft plays nice, they have a plan cooking like they did with the DOS BBS days. They want to spy on Linux users I bet.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Saturday, February 01, 2020 20:49:20
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Feb 01 2020 08:09 pm

    When Microsoft plays nice, they have a plan cooking like they did with the DOS BBS days. They want to spy on Linux users I bet.

    I've been suspicious of what they're doing too. However, I doubt they're deep into the Linux kernel code or anything like that. And I believe there's a group of developers who review the code being committed, and if there's any sort of spyware, I'm sure they probably wouldn't let it make it into the standard Linux code.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:03:39
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 15:34:32


    Why on earth would Microsoft develop a Linux Kernel for?

    for the same reason they developed their own java...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sunday, February 02, 2020 08:04:45
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 15:56:39


    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    it allows linux programs to run on windows... how it will affect them still remains to be seen...


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 06:24:25
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Feb 01 2020 08:09 pm

    I've been suspicious of what they're doing too. However, I doubt they're deep into the Linux kernel code or anything like that. And I believe there's a group of developers who review the code being committed, and if there's any sort of spyware, I'm sure they probably wouldn't let it make it into the standard Linux code.

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    You know, I read lots of websites on Microsoft's spying techniques over the years, maybe call it conspiracy theories but it's still spying any way you
    look at it. I remember when the registry first came out with Windows 95 and now Windows 10's Face Identification system, it starts to make you wonder how
    much privacy we really have. Food for thought. Privacy is only a word to make people feel safe but in the long run it doesn't exist. Take a look at George Orwell's book, 1984, which talked about Big Brother watching over us. Scary thing but so very true at the same time.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Sunday, February 02, 2020 14:19:37
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 15:56:39

    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    All BBSs are going to have to either migrate to MS-DOS or simply shut down. It's a damn shame.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Sunday, February 02, 2020 14:23:10
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Feb 01 2020 20:09:25

    When Microsoft plays nice, they have a plan cooking like they did with the DOS
    BBS days. They want to spy on Linux users I bet.

    Yeah, remember when they released that DOS update that used config.sys to load spy.com as a TSR and it keylogged all of your keyboarding keystrokes and then dialed up a secret Microsoft 1-800 number in the middle of the night using your phone modem and then it up-loaded all of your keylogged keyboard keystrokes to them and then some Microsoft lackeys had to read through them every day so they could spy on the DOS users in the BBS days? Those were dark times but they sure did gather a lot of useful information on what sort of things power users wanted to do with their computers and that's how we ended up with OS/2.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sunday, February 02, 2020 11:53:42
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sun Feb 02 2020 06:24 am

    You know, I read lots of websites on Microsoft's spying techniques over the years, maybe call it conspiracy theories but it's still spying any way you look at it. I remember when the registry first came out with Windows 95 and now Windows 10's Face Identification system, it starts to make you wonder how much privacy we really have. Food for thought. Privacy is only a word to make people feel safe but in the long run it doesn't exist. Take a look at George Orwell's book, 1984, which talked about Big Brother watching over us. Scary thing but so very true at the same time.

    I don't use the face recognition in Windows 10 (I didn't even know it was there), but I've turned off the tracking settings that Windows 10 provided, though I'm not sure if there's more that it's tracking. I've heard people say they're concerned about tracking and data collection in Windows 10.. I've seriously thought about switching to Linux at some point. My favorite Linux distro right now is Linux Mint (with the Cinnamon desktop). Probably the only thing keeping me from switching now is that there are some games & apps for Windows I like to use that I don't think have a Linux equivalent. Developers tend to make a Windows version for almost all software (not everything, but quite a bit), so with Windows there's a good chance of a particular software being available.

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  • From Richard Miles@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, February 02, 2020 15:29:18
    On 02 Feb 2020, Nightfox said the following...

    there), but I've turned off the tracking settings that Windows 10 provided, though I'm not sure if there's more that it's tracking. I've heard people say they're concerned about tracking and data collection in

    I would be a hell of a lot more concerned (I'm not personally) about the tracking of smartphones than I anything from Windows 10.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to echicken on Sunday, February 02, 2020 16:07:00
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    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 15:56:39

    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    All BBSs are going to have to either migrate to MS-DOS or simply
    shut down. It's a damn shame.

    Yep. At least it'll be easy to run DOS doors. We got that going
    for us, at least. I'M NOT SHUTTING DOWN!!!


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  • From Bud Spencer@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Monday, February 03, 2020 01:36:56
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    On Sun, 2 Feb 2020, Nightfox wrote:

    Probably the only thing keeping me from switching now is that there are some games & apps for Windows I like to use that I don't think have a Linux equivalent.

    Prioritising pleasure over privacy is personal choice.


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  • From Bud Spencer@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Monday, February 03, 2020 01:38:53
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    On Sun, 2 Feb 2020, Richard Miles wrote:

    I would be a hell of a lot more concerned (I'm not personally) about the tracking of smartphones than I anything from Windows 10.

    That's why one doesn't use those if one values privacy. Same goes for
    wifi.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Monday, February 03, 2020 16:45:00
    On 02-02-20 16:07, Gamgee wrote to echicken <=-

    Yep. At least it'll be easy to run DOS doors. We got that going
    for us, at least. I'M NOT SHUTTING DOWN!!!

    Haha I'll have to bring back my old RA system, if I'm forced to use DOS. :D


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Rampage on Monday, February 03, 2020 08:31:16
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: Rampage to The Millionaire on Sun Feb 02 2020 08:03:39

    Why on earth would Microsoft develop a Linux Kernel for?

    for the same reason they developed their own java...

    MS has been contributing to the Linux kernel for a while... mostly in the context of running Linux under a hypervisor/vm. They've actually contributed quite a bit. They have their own builds for use on/in Azure. Of course they're using both Linux and a slimmed down version of Windows for various workloads.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to echicken on Monday, February 03, 2020 02:24:05
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Sun Feb 02 2020 02:19 pm

    How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    All BBSs are going to have to either migrate to MS-DOS or simply shut down. It's a damn shame.

    It's a damn damn shame (hehe)
    or maybe we can all tap into 5G and andriod (lol).

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Tracker1 on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 13:19:00
    On 02-03-20 08:31, Tracker1 wrote to Rampage <=-

    MS has been contributing to the Linux kernel for a while... mostly in
    the context of running Linux under a hypervisor/vm. They've actually contributed quite a bit. They have their own builds for use on/in
    Azure. Of course they're using both Linux and a slimmed down version
    of Windows for various workloads.

    No doubt some of this work found its way into WSL as well. :)


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 04:52:01
    Re: Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: Tony Langdon to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 04 2020 13:19:00

    MS has been contributing to the Linux kernel for a while... mostly in
    the context of running Linux under a hypervisor/vm. They've actually contributed quite a bit. They
    have their own builds for use on/in
    Azure. Of course they're using both Linux and a slimmed down version
    of Windows for various workloads.

    No doubt some of this work found its way into WSL as well. :)

    Probably at least WSL2, which is an actual Linux kernel, WSL1 is using a shim, similar to WINE, but in reverse.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Tracker1 on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 18:14:00
    On 02-05-20 04:52, Tracker1 wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    No doubt some of this work found its way into WSL as well. :)

    Probably at least WSL2, which is an actual Linux kernel, WSL1 is using
    a shim, similar to WINE, but in reverse.

    Good point. :)


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to ECHICKEN on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 22:51:00
    Yeah, remember when they released that DOS update that used config.sys

    I knew a Sysop who had no idea what an AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS
    file did. :P

    Daryl


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to GAMGEE on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 22:52:00
    Yep. At least it'll be easy to run DOS doors. We got that going
    for us, at least. I'M NOT SHUTTING DOWN!!!

    If I shut down, it's for a limited downtime, for various reasons. I
    hope I never get burned out on it. The hobbies are the only thing that
    keep me sane anymore.

    Daryl


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Rampage on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 22:54:16
    On 2/2/20 6:04 AM, Rampage wrote:
    Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Feb 01 2020 15:56:39


    TM> How will this affect bbses and Linux as a whole?

    it allows linux programs to run on windows... how it will affect them still remains to be seen...

    Well, in addition to running LSW, they also happen to host one of the
    largest Linux cloud services on the internet.


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