I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can be erased. Is this true? How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

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Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Feb 05 2020 02:54 pm

I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can be erased. Is this true? How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

Of course it can be erased.. The easiest way I know would be to run the Windows system repair after booting from the Windows install media - and then the PC would boot directly into Windows again.

It should not have any effect on Synchronet, unless for instance you have Synchronet installed in the Linux partition and no longer can boot into Linux, or if the system can't boot at all.. though technically that won't harm your Synchronet files.

If Grub gets erased, you should be able to re-install Grub and get it back to where it was before.

Nightfox

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The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can
be erased.

Please don't be an idiot.

Is this true?

Please don't be an idiot.

How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

Please don't be an idiot.


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I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can be erased. Is this true? How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

Nope, not at all. The GRUB isn't need.

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Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Feb 05 2020 02:54 pm

I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can be erased. Is this true? How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

Where are you comming up with all this nonsense ?
have you ever ran linux and windows as a dual boot system?
I have and no problems with grub whatsoever, you can edit grub and if you don't know wtf you're doing you could mess it up probably.
I prefer to run linux on a VPS, in a VM or by itself like on my Raspberry PI's and no it would'nt effect sychronet.

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Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Feb 05 2020 14:54:34

I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can be erased. Is this true? How will this affect Synchronet BBS as well?

Are you running Synchronet on the Windows partition, or the Linux one?

Have you considered FreeBSD or HaikuOS?

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 05 2020 19:02:00

I read that if you dual boot Linux with Windows that the GRUB can
be erased.

Please don't be an idiot.

Although it seems like a silly question, I've had windows installs blow away my linux boot partition before... I usually install them on separate drives without the other connected at install... then use the bios boot selector on the rare occasion I need to get into windows.

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Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Tracker1 to The Millionaire on Sun Feb 09 2020 04:03 am

Have you considered FreeBSD or HaikuOS?

Is Haiku even mature enough to run something like Synchronet?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Tracker1 to Gamgee on Sun Feb 09 2020 04:05 am

Although it seems like a silly question, I've had windows installs blow away my linux boot partition before... I usually install them on separate drives without the other connected at install... then use the bios boot selector on the rare occasion I need to get into windows.

I've always thought the general advice was to install Windows first and install Linux second. The Linux install will generally install Grub and add menu items for Windows and Linux. I suppose Windows Update could potentially remove Grub, particularly with Windows 10 being stubborn about installing updates..?

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Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-

I've always thought the general advice was to install Windows first and install Linux second. The Linux install will generally install Grub
and add menu items for Windows and Linux.

You are correct, sir.


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Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Sat Feb 08 2020 23:19:10

Have you considered FreeBSD or HaikuOS?

Is Haiku even mature enough to run something like Synchronet?

It was mostly a joke.

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Sat Feb 08 2020 23:20:36

I've always thought the general advice was to install Windows first and install Linux second. The Linux install will generally install Grub and add menu items for Windows and Linux. I suppose Windows Update could potentially remove Grub, particularly with Windows 10 being stubborn about installing updates..?

I really liked the boot loader that my hackintosh setup used tbh, in any case, I'd just assume use the BIOS boot selector if I don' want to use the default (Linux) via F12 at startup... it works well enough.

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Synchronet BBS
By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 05 2020 19:02:00

Although it seems like a silly question, I've had windows installs blow away my linux boot partition before... I usually install them on separate drives without the other connected at install... then use the bios boot selector on the rare occasion I need to get into windows.

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That's an interesting idea Tracker1. Never thought about that one.

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Have you considered FreeBSD or HaikuOS?

Is Haiku even mature enough to run something like Synchronet?

It was mostly a joke.

Not sure about Synchronet, but the author of MagickaBBS has run it off and
on under Haiku.


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Not sure about Synchronet, but the author of MagickaBBS has run it off and
on under Haiku.

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Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

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Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

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Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

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Ok name one then.

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 11 2020 09:09 pm

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

*nix-compatible maybe, but I think he meant Magicka running only on Linux and no other OS. I could be wrong though..

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Ok name one then.

Seriously. 9 time out of 10 you post misinformation from MX Linux to Linux
BBS software. But in the futile hope of shutting you up, MBSE. Care for a
list of other? Use Google.

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*nix-compatible maybe, but I think he meant Magicka running only on
Linux and no other OS. I could be wrong though..

MBSE was written as a *nix only BBS many moons ago.

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On 02-11-20 21:09, Netsurge wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

Waffle for starters, that's been around for _many_ years.


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Seriously. 9 time out of 10 you post misinformation from MX Linux to Linux BBS software. But in the futile hope of shutting you up, MBSE. Care for a list of other? Use Google.

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You have some serious issues man picking on a sick man all the time.

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Tony Langdon to Netsurge on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:42 pm

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software
packages written over the years.

Waffle for starters, that's been around for _many_ years.

The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a few that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on DOS.
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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Tue Feb 11 2020 18:58:14

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages
written over the years.

Ok name one then.

Waffle BBS... it was originally a set of scripts for *nix command line interface that provided menus to access the available options for the users... later they came out with a DOS executable that provided the same interface and access to the email, news, and files... all email and news transfers were done between systems via UUCICO... email addressing used bangpaths...


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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Tony Langdon to Netsurge on Wed Feb 12 2020 19:42:00

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

Waffle for starters, that's been around for _many_ years.

yep... since at least 1989 for the DOS version... the *nix one was out before then...


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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Tony Langdon to Netsurge on Wed Feb 12 2020 19:42:00

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages written over the years.

Waffle for starters, that's been around for _many_ years.

yep... since at least 1989 for the DOS version... the *nix one was out before then...

I was pleasantly surprised that there is still development of Magicka https://magickabbs.com/

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You have some serious issues man picking on a sick man all the time.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything? I have an autoimmune disorder that has plagued me for over a decade including multiple surgery. I guess I
am also a sick man.

I am just correcting the misinformation that you are posting. A bit of
homework before you assert a fact would alleviate all of this.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything? I have an autoimmune disorder that has plagued me for over a decade including multiple surgery. I guess I am also a sick man.

I am just correcting the misinformation that you are posting. A bit of homework before you assert a fact would alleviate all of this.

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11 Feb 20 19:53, you wrote to Netsurge:

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software packages
written over the years.

*nix-compatible maybe, but I think he meant Magicka running only on Linux

and no

other OS. I could be wrong though..

Magicka does run on other OS too ... :)

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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:50 am

"And the truth shall set you free!" - Jim Carrey (Liar, Liar)

"I'm kicking my ass, do you mind?"

Nightfox

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On 02-12-20 07:34, Altere wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a few that
were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on DOS.

Fair enough. :)


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On 02-12-20 18:31, Oli wrote to Nightfox <=-

Magicka does run on other OS too ... :)

Yep, Haiku - now that's one you won't find many BBS packages for! :)


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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Altere to Tony Langdon on Wed Feb 12 2020 07:34:31


Altere> The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a few
Altere> that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on DOS.

incorrect... the DOS version was created because some DOS folks wanted to run it and Tom Dell accommodated them in that respect... the original Waffle BBS was scripts on *nix that the user was signed into like signing into bash, csh, or zsh...


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Not sure about Synchronet, but the author of MagickaBBS has run it off and on under Haiku.

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Maybe originally, but he has also had it running under Haiku (not linux)
and BSD (not linux).


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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Rampage to Altere on Wed Feb 12 2020 06:03 pm

Altere> The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a few Altere> that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on DOS.

incorrect... the DOS version was created because some DOS folks wanted to run it and Tom Dell accommodated them in that respect... the original Waffle BBS was scripts on *nix that the user was signed into like signing into bash, csh, or zsh...

I never personally ran it, so if what you say is correct, then the information from any search about it is incorrect then. <shrug>
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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Altere to Rampage on Sun Feb 16 2020 17:56:23


Altere>>> The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a
Altere>>> few that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on
Altere>>> DOS.

incorrect... the DOS version was created because some DOS folks
wanted to run it and Tom Dell accommodated them in that
respect... the original Waffle BBS was scripts on *nix that the
user was signed into like signing into bash, csh, or zsh...

Altere> I never personally ran it,

i did... from the first public release, 1.58, to the last... i ran it as a "door" under my RA but it was also accessible directly...

Altere> so if what you say is correct, then the information from any
Altere> search about it is incorrect then. <shrug>

that's not surprising, really... the entry from the bbsdocumentary site is the closest, though...

http://software.bbsdocumentary.com/IBM/DOS/WAFFLE/

so my statement above wasn't exactly correct but it was correct in that DOS was not first ;)


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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Rampage to Altere on Mon Feb 17 2020 08:41 am

Altere>>> The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a Altere>>> few that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on Altere>>> DOS.

incorrect... the DOS version was created because some DOS folks
wanted to run it and Tom Dell accommodated them in that
respect... the original Waffle BBS was scripts on *nix that the
user was signed into like signing into bash, csh, or zsh...

Altere> I never personally ran it,

i did... from the first public release, 1.58, to the last... i ran it as a "door" under my RA but it was also accessible directly...

Altere> so if what you say is correct, then the information from any Altere> search about it is incorrect then. <shrug>

that's not surprising, really... the entry from the bbsdocumentary site is the closest, though...

http://software.bbsdocumentary.com/IBM/DOS/WAFFLE/

so my statement above wasn't exactly correct but it was correct in that DOS was not first ;)

Just read it, so we're both wrong and right, lol.
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Re: Re: Linux With Windows And Sy
By: Altere to Rampage on Mon Feb 17 2020 11:43:07

http://software.bbsdocumentary.com/IBM/DOS/WAFFLE/

so my statement above wasn't exactly correct but it was correct in that DOS was not first ;)

Altere> Just read it, so we're both wrong and right, lol.

yup! i do freely admit that my original statement was made based on 20+ year old memory of long past discussions about waffle's history, too... back then, nothing was really said about pre-waffle days and a lot pointed to the *nix stuff being scripts but those could easily have been helpers called by the system's functions...

i remember when david douthitt<sp?> was creating and testing his erin and amanda waffle<->ftn packages... my system was (one of?) the main test site(s) ;) those packages were named after his daughters, IIRC...


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On 2/12/20 5:34 AM, Altere wrote:

Magicka is the first BBS written for Linux only.

Not true at all. There have been many *nix only bbs software
packages written over the years.

Waffle for starters, that's been around for _many_ years.

The key words here were "for Linux only", while there are a few
that were for Linux only (or first), Waffle was first on DOS.

It's still kind of a BS point to make... From the website, looks like
it's meant to run on modern nix systems not just Linux and it's most
likely not the first, and won't be the last. MBSE is significantly older.

Magicka - First commits 2016-03-22 [1]
MBSE - First release 1999-07 [2]

1. https://gitlab.com/magickabbs/MagickaBBS/-/commits/master
2. https://www.mbse.eu/bbsing/mbsebbs/

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